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Debunking the "Power of Semen" claim

Discussion in 'Self Improvement' started by BalancedLife, Dec 26, 2016.

  1. Kalito

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    It's not science, it's a simple observation. One day there was no evidence for smoking being unhealthy, yet people were dying of cancer. Infact, people who stopped smoking felt healthier and better. Those who listened to the "woo hoo" science back in the day literally survived something others did not. They didn't understand why smoking was bad, they just felt it. You don't really need evidence or explanation if you have direct expirience of it.
    If nofap gives me increased beard growth, more energy, better skin, etc. I do not need to have a reason for why it is happening. It simply is, and if I would have waited for scientific evidence, I might have never stopped fapping at all.
     
  2. No one is denying some of the anecdotol findings to giving up masterbation... including me. We are already doing this. If we are to encourage others to follow suit we need real evidence/studies rather than the woo hoo that has been presented on this thread.

    Sorry not trying to be mean but that thing that you see here about the power of semen retention around this site is a complete joke and anyone who understood anything about how science works - ie, testing, the difference between causation and contributing factors and so on... would read that and laugh loud.
     
  3. The |E|volutionary

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    EXACTLY. The ignorant fear what they do not understand.
     
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  4. BalancedLife

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    We all know that science is lagging behind in this; I myself decided to give up PMO based on the anecdotal reports and my own gut feeling.

    But you can't compare the background of smoking addiction with PMO for several reasons.

    First of all, it takes no chemist/biologist/doctor to come up with the idea that maybe, just maybe, inhaling combustion products of WHATEVER substance is unhealthy, as even when you light up paper in a fireplace you can see that charred, carbon-rich matter is left behind. So even before there was conclusive evidence, a reasonable person could make an educated guess and refrain from smoking.

    With porn and masturbation, we are talking about completely different stuff.

    As of today, masturbation is deemed to be healthy and normal by the general public, and those who oppose this view are belittled, made fun of and called "religious freaks".
    Porn consumption is rife in every age group, openly admitted by most young adults and well-hidden by most married men.

    Now, getting straight to the point: if you wanted to help these people, most of whom are young and somehow educated and brought up in a secular environment, what would you do?

    Point out to the existing science and finally have this addiction recognized for what it is
    or
    write about how NoFap really fits well with "Traditional Chinese medicine",
    how many of us worship the "Power of Semen" ,
    how a few days of not beating off give us "superpowers",
    how some of us purposedly go "monk mode" to solve all their lifelong issues,
    how those who don't become "chick magnets" and so on?

    We have already made a name for ourselves as a cultish group and I believe this is preventing us from reaching out to the widest audience possible which, I believe, should be a priority.

    Therefore, as long as I am on this forum, I will oppose and possibly debunk unscientific claims.

    One last note, from the https://www.nofap.com/about/ page:

    So as you can see, my intention is well in line with the purpose of the website.
     
  5. Porn Free Wanderer

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    From what I can see, the problem with porn isn't so much masturbation or ejaculation, it's more about excessive masturbation. The science tells us that ejaculating once, or one session of masturbation won't really do you that much harm, and that I agree with. The problem with most porn addicts is that they are doing it a lot more often than once or twice a week, in fact, many of them are doing it multiple times a day.

    What I'd like science and so on to tell me is what happens when a person is masturbating/ejaculating three times a day, for a sustained period. Especially if someone has had a long edging session prior and built up a huge load. That's the real question for me. I think of masturbation as like drinking red wine. In small doses, it doesn't really do any harm -- and it may actually have some health benefits. However, if you do it too often, you could end up with serious health problems.
     
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  6. Estus

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    Semen retention is the thing best a man can do for himself next to lifting, eating right, and drinking plenty of water.

    The ancient Chinese believed a man has only a certain amount of orgasms in his life and for each one he uses his life force is drained away.

    Semen retention is an ancient philosophy that has been around for thousands of years.

    Nothing is debunked here.

    Firsthand I know how much better I feel after long streaks and how drained I feel after relapses. It has nothing to do with being tired or feeling depressed, no. I feel like the life was sucked out of me and I'm deprived of nutrients. Usually the first thing I do is eat something and then I feel better.

    The only reason I'm posting here is because I saw this thread linked on 4chan as evidence to why nofap is bunk and I had to disclaim that.

    I believe having sex with a woman may nullify the deleterious ejaculation because you absorb hormones from her or your body creates hormones because it can tell the difference from sex and masturbation that counter the ejaculation.

    But masturbation is the worst thing one can do to one's self, I'm sure of it.

    Porn is the worst thing you can do to your mind, ejaculation/masturbation the worst for your body.
     
  7. Jynx

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    Woah, still you would feel drained.
    Your bones become weak and you strength is down.
    I used to be the Great fighter to my peers and lil grown ups, but once i started out this lonely addiction.
    Have seen my energy to any work down. Focus outta range. Self confidence is out.
    My fighting skills are no use since my body can climb up to my force of kinetic energy.
    Semen thats why is the lifeflifeforce power. It is the purest susbtance of all the nutrients in out body.
    Yeah so.
     
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  8. kamado86

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    Sorry, this article is basically excusing people to MO. For one I believe I drained myself completely when I MO everyday for years .Ok I agree it may be a hormonal imbalance but also I have read that it takes days to replenish semen .imagine you're working hard everyday, fapping daily, your body is not replenishing the stores of vitamins and minerals you mentioned . It's a bit of everything I believe. Eastern culture are firm believers in semen retention .I think you need a balance like everything in life. Sure ejaculating won't harm you but to do it daily and you saying it's fine to lose those nutrients. I don't buy it sorry, science or not
     
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  9. More Jing

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    on a Tangent an old chinese saying from Taoism if you refrain from losing your seed you will always love your woman...so true ,we have all been there i guess certainly at 58 years old I have! You are with a woman you cum ,a few seconds later you feel tired ,depressed and just want to get away from her. I was lucky to learn how to have internal orgasms 25 years ago and it was blissful and how many times you had sex you could always come back for more when she wanted and always felt close to the lady....postcript is it does take self control and I havent done it for years but I remember instead of being "an empty medicine bottle for a woman" (another Taoist story ) I felt like I had been plugged into a battery
     
  10. ShotDunyun

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    I'm what yo could call a "science guy". After many visits to the doctor because I felt tired all the time and to just being told I was "fine", I had to resort to many other things, including NoFap. Now, science's perspective on ejaculation is that is "normal" and "healthy". And medicine, at least as of today, do not see Pornography as a harm. Maybe science is telling us today that semen has little to none nutrients, but what if there is something more that we are unable to measure?

    I just have my testimony to say that weird and positive shit happens when I dont ejaculate in a while, but maybe this could be explained in the future.
     
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  11. Mike9210

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    I'm very sorry for reviving this post, but there is something that needs to clarified. Even if semen does not have nutrients etc etc. The science that backs up nofap and semen retention is more about the hormones that are involved after ejaculation. Well, everyone knows how prolactin goes high. But that's not it. Estrogen (female hormone) receptors are upregulated while androgen receptors are desensitized after ejaculation.

    However, when you abstain from ejaculation, androgen receptors become more and more sensitive. Then the body uses the floating testosterone in the bloodstream more efficiently and effectively. This is why you get the so-called superpowers. It probably has little to do with the nutrients in the semen and whatnot.
     
  12. SuperPowers

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    Some points to consider

    • Okay so "maybe" its not minerals, I don't know, I'm not saying it is or isnt, maybe its dopamine, its still in the ejeculation which comes with orgasm
    • How about frequent ejaculation?
    • I don't think we were created to bust nuts all the time, in fact, sex is for procreation that's why there is a loss of energy after ejaculation because it thinks you just planted a seed and that you done well and, fulfilled your purpose and can relax now, well no you can't, but if you abstain, energy and wellbeing increase bud, don't argue with me just to stick to your conclusion, consider both sides okay
    • How about when you retain your semen? It accumulates and assimilates throughout the body
    • You can't ignore the countless reports which say you bust nuts, you feel shit, you hold it in, you feel soo much better
    • And busting nuts lowers your aura
    • Women arent attracted to you when you bust nuts, they know who has the semen intuitively, spiritually, and they want to take that, they want the guy whos nuts are the fullest because he can provide the most energy and spirituality
     
  13. Infrasapiens

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    The amount of people who believe in semen powers is funny and/or worrying . This is why no one takes NoFap seriously.
     
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  14. SuperPowers

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    Okay :rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
  15. VirilitySupreme1776

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    Whether you are a believer or a non-believer of semen retention, you cannot deny the fact that your body takes the nutrients from your blood and uses them for spermatogenesis.

    Whether someone is deficient in a specific micronutrient is another question altogether... As someone who has greatly experimented with this, let me tell it to you straight:

    You don't lose Testosterone, but you make some micronutrients unavailable instead of readily available (for the brain and for hormonal balance).

    If all your micronutrients needs are met, an orgasm won't slow you down (I'll make you feel great in fact).

    However, someone who is already low on B-12 will be furthering his deficiency (since the micronutrients being readily available in the blood is of outmost importance).
     
  16. Jerome420

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    I literally just made this account to comment on your post and to say you're probably the only person I've seen who actually did basic research into what these nofap cultists think is supposed to be the elixir to godhood. You are one of few who used their brain instead of the over hyperinflated egos I see alot of people here and reddit have
     
  17. loneloan

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    I say the main issue isnt wether one loses or gains powers, the ethical component of the fact of mis-directing sentience (sentient germ-like life).
    the issue is about morality not having a power-trip
     

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