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Crossing the line from immorality to criminality

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by thorswrath32, Apr 21, 2017.

  1. Hi folks

    I'm new to this forum but not new to the practice of Nofap, I've been PMO free for over 2 years now, it's safe to say that porn has lost all of its allure for me now the novelty has gone and the urge is no longer there. This is going to be a long post but I hope you gain something out of it, this isn't for the faint hearted.

    I'm your typical porn addict or was for a long time, started when I was young (back in the days of dial up modems when google was a pipe dream) found an endless array of super models to ogle at, sneaked into the living room at night to take a peak on the net when my parents were alseep, got my first PC in my room when I was 16 and started collecting porn, categorising it, sorting it like some kind of immoral stamp collection. Stuff took ages to load, we take it for granted now that we have high speed internet, but back then you would have to wait 20-30 minutes for a 5 minute video to download, streaming didn't exist then either.

    My sex education at school was basically 'this is how you put a condom on a cucumber' and 'this is how people reproduce' my parents always neatly avoided the subject of sex, dating and porn, my dad being a staunch Christian was fervently against sex before marriage. I grew up with loving parents, had great friends, did all the usual stuff kids do like going out on adventures in the woods, getting into fights, staying out too late and having crushes on girls at school.

    I didn't realise back then that I was nurturing a destructive habit that one day would change my life forever, however, we won't get to that bit yet.

    I understand today partly why I found porn to be so comforting at first. When I started looking at cut-outs from the back pages in newspapers it wasn't long after I was sexually abused as a child by an older friend, luckily it never went as far as penetration, but I did experience some very uncomfortable things that I won't go into detail here, he was also the first person to show me hardcore pornography which he found in a magazine dumped somewhere.

    I never told anyone about it except one occasion when I tried to tell my mother and she said 'don't be so silly' so I left it at that and kept it secret for many years.

    When I started college I had my first girlfriend, and we dated for 5 years. Porn was my other girlfriend and that stayed with me throughout our relationship, until it ended mutually and me and my ex, remained friends for some time after.

    I think it was when I was at University when my tastes in porn started to change, as I was able to download longer videos and more of them, I started to become interested in different fetishes far removed from the airbrushed super models of my late teens and developed a thing for lesbian porn... the novelty factor was a big thing for me and I could spend hours and hours searching for just the right video or gallery. Still to this day I couldn't tell you what the exact parameters were for what, on any given day was arousing, it just seemed to be an unpredictable quirkiness.

    You're probably not surprised to hear that I barely scraped by with a 2:2 for my degree, at least I passed anyway, but looking back I know I was capable of doing better. I also had a problem with smoking too much weed as well which started back in college.

    At this point I wasn't concerned about my habit, either way I was staying within the realms of legality and I reckoned I had a pretty good grip on life at that time, I knew where I wanted to go in life and what I wanted to achieve, after Uni the world felt like my oyster. Until a year after graduating, my mother passed away from breast cancer and it was when she was diagnosed that I got involved in class A drugs, that event turned my world upside down. Cocaine something which I was vehemently against ended up becoming my master. All it took for me to get addicted was one small, tiny little line and then I started to experiment with cocaine and porn together. They compare the high obtained by viewing porn as similar to the one obtained by cocaine, well if you combine the two you get double the impact but double the problems.

    My grandfather passed away the year after my mother did, and then my dad left the country to live with another woman so it was me, my job, and my coke and porn habit.

    It's strange that I actually went from daily viewing of porn to weekly binges on coke and porn, it got to the point where porn without coke did nothing for me, I had to have the drugs to enjoy it, and I kind of did for a couple of years.

    Then I moved on to some of the more darker material online, the stuff you know you shouldn't look at but curiosity got the better of me and the bad stuff became 'just another category' to go along with my long list of finely tuned fetishes and pleasure started to look a lot like fear, anxiety and shame.

    Somehow I managed to hold down a job, I had to in order to support my drug habit and pay the bills, but it got to the point where I knew I had to stop somehow and I tried using self will power to no avail, sometimes going 2 or even 3 weeks without using drugs or porn only to relapse time and time again. It got to the point where there actually wasn't any type of porn I hadn't seen, legal or illegal and my moral compass was shot to pieces. I tried reaching out for counselling a couple of times which I paid for privately but to be honest I found it only opened up old wounds.

    In one act of desperation, I sat down on my PC and wrote a letter to my deceased mother because I wanted help but I didn't know how to get it, more to the point how do you tell someone you've been looking at the worst kind of stuff?

    Well eventually I was arrested, despite my own efforts I had to reach rock bottom. I'll never forget that knock on the door at 8am by 4 police officers wanting to ask questions about the things you've been looking at. I've never felt fear or terror like it, being in that prison cell one fears the worst, but I had to be arrested because I needed that wake up call.

    That was about 2 and a half years ago now. Shortly after that arrest, I had to tell my friends about what had happened, it was tough, they didn't even know I used cocaine or even porn so I tried as best as I could to explain. Some listened, some tried to be supportive and others well, others kept their distance.

    One of them suggested I get support for my drug addiction, so I ended up joining a 12 step program, the single most important thing I could have ever done, I still go today. Shortly after my court appearance and reporting of my sentence in the local newspaper I had threats of violence, made two vain suicide attempts and had two friends try to convince me to commit suicide. I also had some random person stop in their car whilst I was out shopping to film me and shout obscenities at me then post it all over social networks. It was a shit storm like you wouldn't believe, but I stayed sober through all of that because of the support I was getting from my fellow recovering addicts.

    I can't undo the past as much as I would like to, it will be something that will come back to haunt me again and again and when you get sober you get your emotions back, the difficult ones and the good ones, but it's the difficult ones which are the hardest like empathy, remorse, guilt and fear.

    I have to attend a treatment course with other offenders, pretty much all of them regular people you wouldn't take a second glance at if you walked past them in the street, but we all have one thing in common...porn and addiction but we are the ones who overstepped the mark and crossed that line.

    Today I am over 2 years free from PMO, Cocaine abuse, cannabis and alcohol I'm a boring teetotaler but I've learned a hell of a lot about myself in these two years of sobriety. Probably the most important thing is that I found a human being inside me and his name is Alex and he cares about people and wants to help them by sharing his experience so others don't make the same mistakes he did, this is how he makes his amends for the harm he caused to others.

    If you're struggling with your own porn addiction then I want to tell you it is possible to overcome it and you don't have to go to the extremes I did, it's possible for you to stop before you even begin to get to where I ended up and experience a real and fulfilling life. My life is better than it was but my opportunities are severely limited now by the stigma associated with being a 'sex offender' something I will have to learn to live with for the rest of my life but if I can stop just one person from making the same mistakes I did then I'll be happy with that
     
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  2. sparkywantsnoPMO

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  3. SnowWhite

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    To me, this is a contradiction.
     
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  4. Wow, it's really great you managed to get out of that addiction. I'm barely getting started, but your story encourages me, thank you for sharing.
     
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  5. sparkywantsnoPMO

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    Not following. If you are referring to avoiding the subject, it is possible to be loving and still make mistakes. If you are referring to religion, it is possible to be loving and religious. If referring to being against sex before marriage, I don't see how that is mutually exclusive with love.

    Respectfully request clarification.
     
  6. Thanks for sharing. You're not the only one who has gone far, there are many who have. Those friends that tried to get you to commit suicide are horrible, I hope you dumped them as friends. Just ask for God's grace. He died for your sins, so that you don't receive condemnation. Forgive yourself. I'm also sorry what happened to you in your childhood. I hope you receive healing and overcome it. I love what you said about not letting another young person fall into the trap of PMO, I want to dedicate my life to that as well.
     
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  7. MSTie

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    Sobering stuff, man. That's a hell of a lot to go through. I'm glad that you're managing to turn yourself around.

    I've been nowhere near the position that you've been in, but I hope that I can turn around myself eventually. Thanks for the motivation.
     
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  8. SnowWhite

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    Not only avoiding, even more, pressing his opinion on his son. This can neither be called a "mistake" nor do I see love.
     
  9. sparkywantsnoPMO

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    I accept this conversation is probably going to end up being opinion vs. opinion.

    I see avoiding the subject, and presenting his moral and religious views as two different issues, so I will address them separately.

    There are millions of decisions that every parent has to make in relation to their child. What school they take them to, how much time they spend with them vs. the rest of life, what critical topics they bring up with their child and when, and so on. Even if there was a single perfect answer for all of these things, it is most unlikely that any 2 (or 1) parents would ever get all of them exactly right, and that's not even taking into account that all children develop differently. A good, loving parent will make the best decisions they can in each situation. They can make a decision with love and still make the wrong one. They can make it with the child's best interest in mind and it can still have a negative effect. There are simply too many variables.

    Moral and religious views are also a trade-off. Rigid views provide less freedom, but in theory account for human nature and try to solve problems. Relative views allow more freedom, but may present fore friction in real world situations, because there is no alignment. I'm not going to try to make a hard and fast argument for one over the other, as there are philosophers and academics that are having much better battles with this. I will give an example however.

    Take a spectrum in sexuality. On the left side of the spectrum, you have an orthodox view of sex: only in marriage, aligned for procreation, monogamy, etc. On the right, you have completely free love: no marriage, as many partners as one wants, procreation considered an option. Orthodoxy provides benefits such as family stability, propagation of the species, a reduction in STDs. Free love offers less unhappiness from boredom, more genetic diversity passed and freedom.

    Because of differing reasons, a person will inevitably make a decision that they find one option better than the other. They may consider the other option harmful. If they do, would a loving parent not want to protect their child from that harm, even if that perception of harm misguided?
     
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  10. SnowWhite

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    OK, I understand what you mean, there are two ways to see it.

    If a parent makes this as a purposeful decision to protect the child, then this is love.

    But I experienced something totally different. My parents simply were totally emotional unsecure, they suppressed their own emotions, thus they never talked about sex or any emotions at all, and even threatened their children when these showed any emotions. For example, as a child, when some of us whined, we were put under the ice-cold shower and then put to bed, lights off, door shut, good bye. Kisses and embraces did not exist. Only on annual christmas family photo. Love?
     
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  11. Thanks everyone for your kind words of encouragement. I want to clear a couple of things up since a small debate has started.

    When it comes to my parents, I never went hungry, always had a roof over my head and despite my fathers' religious views he still worked very hard to provide for us, so I don't blame him because he was only doing what he thought was right and that's different for every parent. I used to use his shortcomings as a person as a basis of wholesale condemnation of all religion, however over the last two years he has been one of my key pillars of support and paradoxically it's the way of faith that has given me my personal strength because I am now accountable to a power greater than myself. That's my own choice and it's kept me going, that is the 12 steps way and the version of spirituality I had impressed on me growing up is different to the one I practice with my fellow recovering addicts yet it brings us closer together.

    I don't blame my mother either because unfortunately the response of 'don't be silly' is all too common, based on my research on survivors of abuse. Children are not able to properly articulate themselves, understand their own emotions and naturally have less of a vocabulary to be able to describe stuff so they often are not taken as seriously. It's also a self defense mechanism for a parent to want to avoid discussing something as deeply damaging as abuse. Remember this was a long time ago back in the early 1990's and attitudes and public knowledge or exposure about childhood abuse was very limited except for maybe some of the most evil and vile news stories about child murderers. A lot more is understood today about all forms of abuse and/or exploitation and I hope parents are being better informed.

    I think with any problem, parenting obviously has a big impact on a child's development but counter to that, so does the other environments they find themselves in and the messages they see in all forms of media and that is why I think the issue of online pornography is a real and genuine public health crisis today more so than ever. Youngsters today are starting out looking at the stuff it took me a long time to find or desensitise to, the stuff available today as 'mainstream pornography' back in the early naughties was 'niche' and experimental. It makes me sad to think about all of those people growing up today believing the lies peddled to them by the porn industry and when they digest the abusive narratives on those websites I think a lot of people don't realise just how much it shapes their view of the world around them, there is a sense of foolish naivety on the consumers part because what they are looking at is so powerful and intoxicating that they don't stop to take a critical analysis of the content, rather they use it as opposed to make a critical judgement from a point of ethics or morality.
     
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    Thank you for sharing this! I hope I can also overcome PMO one day!

    May God help me!
     
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    What a touching story. So much of it resonated with me: :(

    I wish you all the best in life Alex, you sound like a great guy who got hella unlucky - what you've described could've happened to any of us. You've really inspired me though to make sure I never cross that line that could lead to a knock. Thanks again for sharing.
     
  15. MellowFellow

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    What a powerful post. Thanks for sharing and for using your experiences to help other people.
     
  16. Thank you so much for share your journey . its amazing you have come out if it. And I know someone on here has changed their view on their addition just by ready your post
     
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  17. You're wonderful, man. Simply wonderful.
     
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  18. John Lee Smith

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    Great post.
    It really rewired my brain cells.
    Very strong post.
     
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    @thorswrath32 , thanks so much for sharing this story. I've seen a lot of your comments around on this forum, and I've always thought you had nice insight on a lot of matters surrounding addiction and recovery. It's really good to hear your story, and it's inspiring in a way. It shows that recovery is possible, no matter how far you fall down, and it makes me believe in myself. So, thanks for that.
     
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  20. MrZookMalone

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    This is similar to what I'm going through right now.

    2 weeks ago I was permanently banned on fb for sharing porn on fb messenger. I know, why would I share porn on social media, but when you are immersed in your fantasy world, these thoughts/actions have no consequences.

    I was sharing to a friend, who also has an addiction. We were feeding each other's addiction
    For the last 6 months. Both searching for more illegal porn whilst in that mindset. Then talking later about how we show stop. How it's not right.

    So here I'm faced with telling my partner, family and friends why my very active profile has now disappeared on one of the largest social media websites.

    I was running different pages and groups. Friends and family all over the world. No longer can contact them. Not to mention the years of photos I had loaded up of my life.

    So I lied. Made up a story about how I was cleansing from social media......

    It was all in the media, my brain didn't
    Click. Fb was updating their AI system to read our messages and flag any wrong doing. For months I'd been sending porn. Then to be booted out........ no warning. No reason other than I've broken the community standards.

    I went into panic mode.

    What photo/video did it hit on. My addiction had me looking at girls from 15 and up, transwoman, incest, rape, etc all hardcore fetishes. So desensitized by normal porn.

    First week.....

    When will the cops turn up?
    What do I tell my partner when they do?
    What do I tell my family and friends?
    If I end my life, are my finances sorted by insurances so I leave those behind no debt?
    Can I suicide and make it like a accident, so no one knows that I meant it?

    I threw out all my digital goods. Fear of what they might find. Complete anxiety. Waiting for the police to show up.

    That was last week.

    Week 2....


    Ive Found other ppl like me. I'm not alone.
    Ive Found videos explaining how I went from a normal kid to 20 years of porn addiction.
    I have identified that I'm not a pedo. I've just desensitized my self. The high I get from illegal or deviant porn is what drove the addiction.

    Getting lost in hours of porn searching on Tumblr, each time seeing a picture I shouldn't be seeing, getting a sexual high from it and uncontrollably chasing that high with more and more illegal content.............. then bam.... orgasm hits........ then flood of regret. What have I done. Why am I looking at this..... what's wrong with me....

    Then 24hrs later back at it again. Back on Tumblr. A vicious cycle I could not control.

    I had friends sending me things through social media. I had other men on KIK sending me things. If only I had those people pointing me in a direction of better living instead of feeding my addiction.

    All this going on, I knew it was wrong, I knew it was destroying my relationship, social life and work life. Yet anytime my partner asked I would hide it, lie, have several apps on my phone to hide pictures or lock my phone out.

    I have no interest in seeking any of the porn I have seen on the net, in real life. To me, I was getting a high from it, the more taboo, the more my brain went crazy.

    I'm midway through week 2. First day of NoFap. I have my first meeting at a 12 step group tomorrow.

    If the police turn up. Then I will serve the time I owe. I'm 35. Too young to leave this world. Each day is hard.

    I have beaten a gambling addiction and borderline alcohol addiction. Porn is my next one to beat.

    Day 2 tomorrow........ gotta keep moving forward.
     

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