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Chastity Tubes: Invaluable tool? Crutch? Masturbation Device?

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Davidphd1866, Nov 3, 2017.

  1. Davidphd1866

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    During my first serious attempt at overcoming a porn and masturbation addiction, I realize that my biggest enemy is "opportunity". That is, as long as I am busy and around other people, I have no problem abstaining. But if I am alone with time on my hands, I can see that is my weak link. This is how I broke my first string of 15 days.

    Luckily, time alone with no activity is a fairly rare event.

    During those times, however, I wonder if I would do well to wear a chastity device and place the key to the lock in a timer device that prevents me from opening it until the set time expires.

    There are a couple of expressions that relate here: "Good fences make good neighbors." And "Locks keep honest people honest.?

    Should I try it? Have others tried it?

    David
     
  2. There are some members that have used them and I'm trying to recall names. I think @Son of a Bitch was on a thread a while back and may recall something??

    I've never used one but it stands to reason that if you lock your junk up you won't be wanking it. I would think it would only be a short term solution though. Good habits and overcoming is a better long term strategy.

    Could always remove your hands temporarily Meeks like it would be difficult to jerk off w/o hands. But then probably just use feet...
     
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  4. TodayBeforeTomorrow

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    David, can you really see yourself wearing that thing forever? Probably not. It's an addict jedi mind trick. Be strict on yourself, be tough. Using vices will not give you the 100% confidence that you can turn your back on porn FOREVER. It will maintain your doubts. Why prolong the end game, or lower your chances of success with something that can only be a temporary measure. Take a straight line towards your goal. You'll get a lot of advice on these boards. All of it is good. Mine is just a different flavor because I've been an addict for a long time, and the only way you beat addiction is straight on, brute force. I encourage you to face these "opportunities" immediately with nothing but your sheer willpower. You are ready because you are here. You'll be glad you did when you get through.
     
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  5. Davidphd1866

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    I full agree that this would not be a full time solution. But I am thinking I need an "assist tool" in the next couple of months as I struggle with the occasional alone times.

    Part of addiction cure, I feel, is to admit that you need help......in whatever form that may prove useful.

    I admit, I need help and can't simply rely on my willpower--at least in the early weeks.
     
  6. TodayBeforeTomorrow

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    I understand. Everyone will approach this differently. I hope whatever you choose helps you to be successful.
     
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  7. MarinoBigFan1984

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    I am still on my quest to find one to wear on a daily basis. Finding one that fits is the hardest part. There are also many types. The one I use now is simply a shaft lock. You place it on your shaft and lock it so when you become erect it tightens and becomes uncomfortable. The only way to stop the pressure is to relax enough so the erection goes away.

    Why do I wear it? To stop fapping is one of course but the lock I only wear at home and not overnight. Morning wood is that thing would be a death trap for your dick. I also wear mine as a form of penance. I generally wear mine on the weekend mostly.

    I would wear one all the time if I found the right fit. I’ve watched enough porn in my life that I feel a need to atone for such behavior which I know is morally wrong. The odd thing is I could go months porn free without NoFap but every time I watch it I feel dirty. My definition of porn though is limited to porn not ridiculous concepts like P subs etcs. I figure a good 3 months in chastity would really cleanse my soul. The really good ones you can wear all the time even overnight and in the shower. If you can’t feel your dick and can’t keep your hands off it I see no issue using a device to quell the addiction especially the initial two weeks which are hell withdrawal wise. Without the key it’s not coming off. It’s not for everybody.
     
  8. Davidphd1866

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    Thank you MarinoFan for the helpful reply. I tend to agree that wearing a chastity tube is a form of penance as well as a physical barrier to masturbation. In my case, my wife is supportive but somewhat angry at all of the years.....yes, years....of intimacy I wasted by masturbating to porn. She is all but too happy to see me in a position where I cannot masturbate and orgasm. She's not nasty or mean about that, she sort of laughs about it.

    There is a bonus for her. When we DO get together intimately, she likes that the focus is on HER instead of my penis.

    I can understand those in the NoFap Forum who think chastity devices are a "crutch" and we should have willpower to NoFap. But to those I ask, isn't the K9 software the same thing? I would think that ANY tool we could use to help is legitimate.

    I see the thing as a visual reminder of what I've done wrong for so long.
     
  9. SpartanViking

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    I think this is the best advise.
    When the compulsive behaviour arises, there is no chastity tube, porn blocker or whatever other tool that will help you, only you can do it using your will. How many times do we have deactivated porn blocker in a relapse moment. What will prevent you from using the key and unlocking the chastity tube? Unless you give up your responsability about yourself and give your porn blocker password and the key of your chastity tube to someone else, there is no way.
    Discipline is essential in life, but not torture. Erections happen (during night in each REM phase, being the morning wood the last one), there is no point in torturing your pennis. If you get excited and your pennis erected, relax, just that.

    Not having the physical and mental health I should have is enough penance for me. Having kill uncountable spermatozoas that could have become human beings, bearing that is enough penance. Having my mind contaminated by the effects of porn, is enough penance.
     
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  10. Davidphd1866

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    Thanks Spartan. Good comments. One point needs clarification: I AM talking about locking the key in another locking device that is on a timer. Therefore, during that time it is IMPOSSIBLE to fap.

    My problem is during the day on occasions when my wife isn't around. So I would put the device on....have the key locked until she returns. Then remove the device. Thus no worries about the morning wood.

    I do fully agree with you that the long term answer is our true conquering of our urges. The question is, what sort of tricks and tips do we have to use to get there.
     
  11. TodayBeforeTomorrow

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    One trick idea: Divert your attention when the urge hits. Yell out loud, "NO!, STOP THIS!, DO NOT DO THAT!" or some other aggressive, direct command intended to demand control over your limbic system in your brain. Then go outside into the public. Take a walk. Smell the air. Remove yourself from the loneliness. Our addict minds want us to believe that we have low willpower, that our triggers are insurmountable. In about 10-15 minutes later, the urge will pass, and you will feel victorious because you did it all by yourself with no vices. Your confidence will increase, and the next trigger moment will be easier to handle. THEN, come back to noFap and share your success with the rest of us.
     
  12. MarinoBigFan1984

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    The long term devices are designed to deal with morning wood and are nothing like the old fashioned ones you see in magazines. You can get erect just not do anything with it locked away. You have room to grow. Usually a keyholder holds the key usually a spouse. A lot of women feel that by accepting the wearing of one the man truly is remorseful for previous behavior. It’s not for everybody.
     
  13. TodayBeforeTomorrow

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    Honest Response Alert: If I was that spouse, I would consider my partner to be weak. Remorse does not even need to come into the picture. Not sure I'm buying that. Look forward and never look back. Just being here and acknowledging that we need help really should be enough for a spouse to be supportive, IMO. We don't need to be dragged through the mud. Let's just get better.
     
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  14. Davidphd1866

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    Today B4: I agree with you on the SHOULD.....but I believe you are being a bit of a pollyanna about it all. We are here because one way or another we have shown a weakness......as you point out. I argue who is the strong one? The guy who admits to a weakness and does whatever it takes to win? Or the guy who stubbornly feels he has to conquer this on his own?

    If good intentions were sufficient, this forum would be a ghost town.
     
  15. Davidphd1866

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    BTW, I've seen a lot of drug addicts who admit they have a problem.....but never got help.....including some in-laws. The ones who never got help.....are dead.
     
  16. SpartanViking

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    There is something worse than using a chastity tube: using fallacious arguments. And @Davidphd1866 comitted one (maybe inadvertently) in his two last posts. If we want this interesting debate to move forward, we need to clear out the fallacies that can appear in our way.

    • Nobody in this thread has suggested that we should do this on our own without asking help to others. We are all here asking for help (tips, advises, encouragement, accountability, etc). And those few who have a wife or a girlfriend would do better asking for their help and support.
    • We all admit that we are weak and we try to do whatever it takes to win.
    • Nobody suggested in this thread that good intentions are enough. We agree that we need discipline (a lot of discipline, indee) but of the type that makes you better, stronger and prouder.
    • Yes, we need help and support, but in the end we need to face this alone. There is no stubbornes in admiting that (despite the help of others) you and only you are the one who will conquer your addiction. Harry Potter always received the help of their friends Ron and Hermione, but at the end he was the only one who faced death, the only one who conquered his fears and solved the great challenge.
    • I would not say that you are weak for wanting to use the chastity tube, nor I think you are stronger. Ascetics of all times, from East and West, have always done al sorts of crazy things: separating from the world, fasting, not doing sport, physical penances, etc. None of these things maked them better, stronger, smarter, prouder. They wanted to conquer their disordenate passion, but instead of working on themselves and improving, they beated around the bush. Why is this? Because all these practices have a purpose: weakening their physical health in order to weakening their sexual power, and thus conquer their passions. Both are connected. The result: they die without passing on their genes to the next generation. In other words: a waste of time and a waste of seed. [The point of this comparison is to state that many people believe they are better and more disciplined because they follow more strict methods to conquer their weakness, but they are no better].

    That is the correction of your bad argumentation. I don't know which name give to the fallacy you employeed. Maybe is a combination of two or three fallacies. In conclusion: if you use chastity tubes, don't follow in the error of thinking that you are stronger for that, nor you should think that using your will power is a sign of stubborness.

    PD: I would never use chastity tubes because I think it wouldn't benefit me. Thus I can't recommend it to anyone.
     
  17. MarinoBigFan1984

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    As I’ve said multiple times it’s not for everybody
     
  18. Davidphd1866

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    Spartan,

    Forgive my sloppiness in firmly establishing a reasoned and rigorous argument. Although, I feel you are missing the point of my post. I am not attempting to make a conclusive case for the use of chastity devices. Rather, I am seeking a broad array of opinion on the subject. As such, my "arguments" were attempts to encourage others to add to the thread and to dissuade those who believe their logic to be complete and unassailable. Further, I feel no compelling requirement to reconcile all comments and thoughts. I believe this site is largely about spontaneous thought and sharing of ideas and not about rigor and accuracy.

    Your points are well taken. Thank you for making them.

    David
     
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  19. SpartanViking

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    Hi, Davidphd1866. You are very humble by accepting your "innacuracy" in the last post. Maybe I have been a little too formalist. Anyway, I think it is good I pointed that out, because now we can move forward this debate. I think is a very interesting one. Although in the front we are speaking about a physical device, the inner discussion here is much more deeper: the will, the power to choose, etc.

    I hope more people add their point of view.

    May the gods be with us.
    SpartanViking
     
  20. Davidphd1866

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    Thank you Spartan. I genuinely appreciate clarity and precision in our thinking. And I really appreciate being kept intellectually honest. As well, I share in your opinion that we owe such honesty to one another on this site.

    Let's hope others chime in. The topic of "tools" to help fascinates me.

    And by all means, feel free to shoot me a private conversation message. There are many topics relating to the NoFap journey I'd like to hear your opinion on.

    In the name of recovery.....

    David
     
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