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Awful HOCD (or that´s what I think)

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by EyBryan, Apr 10, 2018.

  1. EyBryan

    EyBryan Fapstronaut

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    Hello. I´ve through several forums searching information about what the hell is happening inside of me, but NoFap is the one that has made me attemp a real change on my life. I became a fapstonaut 32 days ago but, at the moment, I have to say that my sexual sensations are quite bipolar, I am not better I think. I´d like to get out a lot of things out of my chest.
    Firstly, I´d like to explain my story. I began to watch porn when I was a very little kid. I think I was around 10 or 11. Since the beggining, I became addict without knowing it. I had no Wifi, so I get advantage of every time I got Internet to download a lot of porn, even porn that, in that moment, was too hard for a child. Everytime I get alone, I went to my computer, play several videos and then... you know. I have lost a lot of time watching porn. I also watch a lot of porn acompanied by friends. Then, while we were watching porn, we played "games" like waking each other, or even try anal (we only tried, now it is a disgusting memory).
    The time flied and we keep on doing that thing but, along the time, the intensity of that stuff was decreasing until we rarely wank each other (we only wank together but not touching one another). One year ago was the last time we wank together. I didn´t have sexual desire for my friends, I only have that obsession on their penises. When I watched theirs I got an instant erection. Outside that, I must say I have masturbated thinking on another´s penises for a long time but never stopping considering myself as straight, it was an obssesion more than a definition of my real sexuality. It´s important to say that along all of this time, I dreamt on being with a girl. I have always considered them strange and I have very difficulties to understand them but, anyway, I have love them for my entire life. I´ve looked at them with desire for almost all my life.
    Here is what all HOCD began. I was 15 and one simple thing drove me mad. I noticed that one of the girl I had a crush on that time asked if I was gay. She were so pretty and I wanted her so much. For that, it was so important in my mind. At the beggining, it felt normal but when days passed the obssesion grow up. I was very obsessed about that. I began to watch guys differently and, sometimes, a got a groinal response only watching them. It was so strange. Eventually, it dissapeared but soon it came back. On a period of distress and a low self steem, I began watching gay porn. I was like tired of watching straight porn. I did it ejaculating but it felt so strange, ejaculation was not plesaurable. Despite that, I continue watching and wanking to that, although I have never stopped watching straight porn (I have to masturbate with straight porn after doing it with gay porn to feel "clean"). That year I had a crush on a beatiful woman, but I could not do nothing (or I did not want to). After this, my eternal failure in love, HOCD exploded when I ejaculated to gay porn being my flatmate talking outside the bath. I noticed I had a problem there, addiction and also an identity problem. I felt so horrible. Since then til today I have been on the worst part of the HOCD. Checking, cheking and cheking... mental compulsions and a lot of porn material to check. The problem is that gay porn was more arousing to me, although I did not identified with that and, in the end, I don´t feel as good as after thinking on a woman.
    One big problem has been that, along this ardous path, I have a lot of sexual desire for women. I think the excesive consumption of porn has made me be a person with no sexual imagination, in addition to the false concept of sex given by porn. It is difficult to me to imagine myself (in the real world) penetrating a woman, I know that I would love it but when I try to expand my imagination, I notice that it is blocked.
    It has been said on this forum that with NoFap, your true sexuality comes out. Well, right now, I feel like that images of penises or gay porn are still more powerful, altough I stil get aroused by straight stuff, but with less power. Lately I have felt something I had never felt before: I feel like I like almost every boy I see, even the ugly ones! It is like I had two brains fighting each other and, by the moment, the gay brain is ahead. I still think I am not gay because this may be perfectly a symthom of HOCD, but right now I don´t now what to think. My arousal with woman is almost dead and with men... it is somenthing strange, I don´t feel that in real life I could be with a men. I wouldn´t like kiss or hold a men, that is something that always has been on my head but when I think about I usually get groinal response which made me mad. Right now, I am like I should get out of the closet, becausemaybe my real brain is the gay brain and the other one is a bulding of the society in me. I have doubts about that too because I have never been guided by what society says and I feel that I were gay I had noticed earlier.
    But I don´t know, it is an eternal hesitation. I had to share this and watch what you guys think and also to tell me if you have or had a similar experience. Thank you reading guys.
     
  2. PHANTOMX0071

    PHANTOMX0071 Fapstronaut

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    Bro. First, let me tell you, I HAVE BEEN THERE. In fact, I was in your shoes just a few weeks ago. Let me explain or at least help you reassure your sexuality. If you like girls, as in sex is desirable with them, then you are not gay. If you find it hard to talk to them, or consider them weird, it is a problem from porn, not from your sexuality. On the other hand, if you were gay, then the simple thought of having intercourse with a female would freak you out, simile to how HOCD freaks us out. So, with that, know that you are not gay. Now, you may wonder wtf this is and why it's happening. To keep it short, flatline and nofap are literally fighting an addiction and rewiring chemical patterns in our brains. Sometimes to get that same spike of dopamine, our brain looks at something more extreme, more crazy in order to add to the excitement. The groin response? I've had that too. Couldn't even look at guys for a while, since I was too scared. That is your brain subconsciously checking to see if you are gay. This can all be controlled with no PMO. Don't even think about anything sex related. Don't try to prove to yourself that you are or are not gay. If anything, the fact that you have HOCD proves that you are not gay. If you were gay, you would be relaxed and happy with your realization, and there would be no doubt in your mind, and the only thing to fear would be coming out. Just keep pushing with no PMO, and force yourself to talk with both guys and girls more so that you don't feel afraid of either of them. Deep down inside, your sexuality is there, and if you are scared that it is something that you don't want it to be, the fact that you are scared justifies that you are not that.
     
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  3. Headspace

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    I struggled with HOCD, too, but I am mostly done with it. I say mostly because when I am fantasizing it can come back, but this is when my porn addiction is taking over anyway. For me it is clear that no porn = no HOCD.

    First off, your frequent use of the word "strange" indicates that it really is a case of HOCD for you, too. I know this doesn't help you too much, because you will keep questioning, asking and hesitating nevertheless - that's part of the symptoms. But may be it will help you a little.

    Trust me that the kind of porn you watch never determines your sexuality. It is not related to reality.

    And that, my friend, leads to the number one criterion for checking whether you are gay or it's HOCD. When fantasizing, do you just dream of a dick, ass or sperm? Then it's HOCD. Or do you dream of hugging, kissing and holding hands with a guy, may be even with a hairy and bearded one, having breakfast together after cuddling romantically the whole night? Then you could be gay.

    In short: Is your fantasy only about body parts or is it about a whole person?

    Fantasizing about body parts comes from objectification, which vice versa comes from porn and the way sexuality is addressed in western culture. Even if all your fantasies are only about body parts (i.e. both female and male ones) so there is kind of a draw between sexes, this wouldn't mean you're gay or bisexual. It would just mean that porn has really messed with your brain, because this desiring of random bodies will not get you anywhere. As long as your fantasies aren't either gone completely or aren't of a romantic, loving kind, do not trust the voices in your head in any way.

    Objectification is what has to be stopped. Approach people as people, both male and female, and things will fall back into their natural order eventually. One step in getting there is to quit porn.

    I would guess that the whole thing getting worse is a symptom of your brain wanting to go back to PMO. This doesn't help you much, of course, but may be the rest of what I wrote does. The question is not who you want to have sex with, but who you want to share your life with. Okay? Being addicted makes you sensitive in sex questions, so please don't fall into the trap of sleeping around. That would be worse than porn for you.
     
    Last edited: Apr 11, 2018
  4. EyBryan

    EyBryan Fapstronaut

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    Firstly, thank you for your answers. I appreciate your advices.
    HEADSPACE. You message is very inspiring. Along my sexual history I have masturbated thinking about penis but not about the whole person, nor even thinking about touch him. Its the others penis whats give me arousal. I have no doubt that it may be because of porn. I also have looked cufflinks and ABS, but I didn't do it on a sexual way til the HOCD exploded. At this moment, when I began with the obsesion I grew up a new one: watching obssesively at feet, hands or noses of another boys. I think thats because I read an article by that time in which it was said that if you have that parts big, then you will have your penis big. Its very strange. Before that I havent thought about being with a men and their feet, their hard and hairy bodies doesnt call me. It wasnt my thing and when I thought about it, I got even nausea. Now it is different.
     
  5. EyBryan

    EyBryan Fapstronaut

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    Moreover, I wanna add some things more to explain my case.
    My relationships with girls have been quite weird along my life. I was a very shy boy and dont talk to them too much, but I liked them. I am an only child and I had a few friends when I was a kid, I was bullied in some way. I think one of the main reasons of the problem is overprotection from my family.
    When masturbation began, I thought wtf is that they are doing? But then i begin for myself and I was interested on doing that with others, like a way of making friends.
    Returning to the girls theme, when I was a child I fell in love with several girls. I remember when I was very young that I was like "dating" with other girl. Well, I only remember that we were on a swing and suddenly she ran away crying. Thats very disturbing.
    I have noticed along the years that I tend to fantasize platonic relationship but im scared of a real one. I think i am philophofic too. Its like women are so complex... Now my desire for girl is almost dead but time ago just a little touch was worth for an erection. Or if a girl I considered pretty talked to me I began to overthink about even our future on a relationship. Its an illnes that dont let me go on.
    I gotta few more things to say, I'll write them later
     
  6. Headspace

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    You're welcome. I hope it helps, since what you experience really sounds like a difficult case. I don't know if and how much your playing around with friends could have influenced your present perception.

    I can't really help you more with that either. But it sounds like you really need some abstinence and time for yourself. Is there something you could work on? Aside from your love life, how are you doing? Are you living the life you want to?

    (If you have more to say, do so!)
     

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