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Atheists, God and the afterlife.

A group for members of all religions, or no religion at all, to talk about religion

  1. Buzz Lightyear

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    The Scriptures provide authority, and an insight into the hierarchical nature of reality. There is something like a Great Chain of Being that extends from the heavens to the earth. This is why the man is considered the head of the household. It is only modern ideology with its obsession with freedom that has a problem with this. Order always trumps freedom... and makes any real freedoms we may have possible.

    Ideology is anti-culture and only leads to the collapse of all authority and anarchy in the end. Choose your poison, we either have a cultural authority or a political/ technological one that will become increasingly harsh. As Christ said, 'My yoke is light'.
     

  2. Because I am convinced god is a construct of men, examples...

    God is portait as male, father, guys back then wouldn't have worshipped a goddess, in a sexist culture god has to have a dick. Even his first born is a dude.

    But I digress

    Yes there are rules to follow in life or else it be anarchy, chaos, they are necessary.

    However...

    According to the bible, if a man kills, rapes women and children, does all horribly imaginable things throughout his life, and just before he dies he repents and accepts Jesus as his lord and savior, he goes to heaven.

    If a guy is a philantropist, he helps poor people, does charity his whole life, does not hurt anyone ever, lives a fullfilling life, dies without believing in god, ge goes to hell.

    That is not just my friend, that is bullshit.
     
  3. And besides, how can anyone be cool with eternal punishment for finite crimes. A few decades of sin equals an eternity of suffering? We humans pass sentences according to the gravity of the crime, to god there seems to be no middle point, its either love me or suffer forever.


    I am baffled how believers arent bothered by this the least bit. God has a free pass to be an asshole, yet if you put Bob instead of god in every bible story, you'd think Bob is a real douchebag.
     
  4. All have fallen short of God's standard of morality. All of us have broken the law, and therefore all of us deserve to be punished for that. Everyone is capable of accepting Jesus' gift of forgiveness. If God only offered that to murders and not philanthropists, then yes, that would be unjust. But that isn't the case.
     
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  5. I'm not used to Christians who are open-minded and actually have decent explanations for their beliefs. I guess I'm just used to hearing close-minded people telling me to obey blindly and don't question things. I'm in the south though, so it's nothing but Christians around here. I appreciate you giving me your thoughts. At least I'm a little more open to looking at Christianity. I still doubt it'll change my beliefs, but maybe I can look at it from a different light. :D
     
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  6. I'll keep an open-mind man. Appreciate it.
     
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  7. Well I'm glad to be a good example for you, at least :) everyone should have valid reasons to believe what they do. You should always be able to back up what you believe, and what you don't believe, and why. I would encourage you, and anyone else, to remain open minded about things until you are educated enough on a subject to have a solid reason for rejecting it. I try to do the same.

    And I appreciate the open dialog! There are always close minded people on both sides, and that gets nobody anywhere. Conversations like this are what keep things fruitful. :)
     
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  8. The god of the bible puts himself before anything, therefore a sin is not an evil act, it is merely an act of defiance towards him. All evil and good in the world are irrelevant, whats most important to him is obedience.

    I simply am not a slave
     
  9. It's a very sad thing to me when somebody is forced into a believe (caused by their education...) and they even aren't able to explain why and what they believe.
    I feel really sorry for these people, because I know there is a lot of anxiety in them. Especially the "hell and doom preaching" has damaged so many people.
    Because these people just can't get rid of their believe because of their fear, they just continue "sharing" their believe. In the meanwhile they can't show any love because they are bond by fear.
     
  10. You're simply not a slave, but I see your counter is on 5 days. So.... it seems that porn is still enslaving you.
    Why actually do you try to get rid of porn, as "all" is irrelevant according to your own words?
     
  11. That's pretty much how I look at it. It's one of my main problems with it
    My whole fucking life I was always afraid. The shit would keep me up at night dude. All I could think is " what if I die in my sleep and go to hell?" It would keep me up at night. I started to really question things and the more I questioned, the more my religion didn't make sense, so slowly but surely I gravitated away from it. I never felt God's love honestly, only fear.
     
  12. I even feel more sorry for you to hear that.
    I know all about anxiety in my life, I know that 's just horrible. I was totally bond by fear in the past :(
    I fought that for years. The one and only place where I 've got rid of my fears are by the cross. By Jesus Christ.

    It's quiet odd that God Himself is speaking a lot about fears.

    On so many places in the bible he is helping us, encouraging us.
    Don't be afraid, I 'll with you with my strength and love.
    Fear not, because I am with you.
    In true love is no fear.

    You should really do some study about anxiety buddy. I bet the more you read what God Himself is telling about anxiety, the more the lies you are told in your life will disappear.

    Yes It's quiet odd. God is telling that in true love is no fear. Why in the world should He wants you to be afraid of Him?
     
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  13. If I was a slave to porn I wouldnt be on nofap, I wouldnt admit I have an addiction. A slave is someone without a will to be free, if you submit you are a slave.

    I cant believe you point towards a goddamn counter and judge me.

    Shame on you
     
  14. I don't judge you, I use your own words as a mirror for yourself.
    But why actually are you here on nofap?
     
  15. There is no mirror, religion is a slave system which you submit your whole life to with blind belief and obedience. I am here because I am free to choose my own path, and I chose to have a porn free life.
     
  16. truthseeker17

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    In true love there is fear. You are afraid of loosing the one you love or disapointing him/her.
    Fear is healthy to a certain level. Fear and hope should go side by side.

    Fearing God's punishment and hoping for his mercy should be our goal.
    Only "true love" can't exist without fear...

    How many people cheat on their partner who actually do love their partner.. yet they have null fear of losing her/him.
    How many people don't love their partner yet don't cheat on him/her because they fear the loss of their partner
     
  17. Oke that's enough for me now.
    It feels like I 'm wasting some time here.
    Good luck with your vision and please show us that you're not a slave. Show us you rock that counter upto 500+.
     
  18. I know what you mean.
    But only in Gods love there is no fear.
    And in Gods love there is no fear for punishment.
     
  19. truthseeker17

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    So imagine, your parents sacraficed their time, money and many other things to make sure you get the best. I don't know if you have a kid, but believe me it ain't easy. You get all the love they can give you, all the care and they fancy you with all these beautiful things.

    After growing up and reaching the age of a adult you meet a lovely women. Now your parents have reached a old age. You decide to marry this woman and you are at your best to this women. Meanwhile your parents call you and ask for you but you have no time. Not only this, you even ignore them and deny the fact that they are you parents. You deny the fact that they brought you up and deny every piece of evidence. You deny their love, their caring for you, you deny every single thing. You mock them, threatens them and tell them how much you hate them. But you are at your kind, just and very gentle to your lovely women.

    This is a small example of God, you and this world. This man is you, the lovely lady is this world and consider the parents as God. I said consider because God can't be compared to human in any sense. He is way above that. He is God, The One, above what they falsely attributes him, He is nothing like Human. Most important, He is independent, He doesn't need to be worshipped, He was The Praisworthy when there was no one and He will be The Praisworthy when there is no one. He is free of any limit, shortcoming or defect.

    This is the example of someone who denies God but is still good to the people. How injust is he?
     
  20. truthseeker17

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    God's fear is different then that of fearing men.

    If you fear someone, the fear wil distance you from this person. It affects your relationship in such a way.
    When you fear God, it draws you closer to God. Fear is a very important emotion in the relationship of God. Especially knowing God and his attributes should make your more fearful of His position. That fear wil draw you to closer to Him because there is no one who can protect you against God except God.
     

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