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ANSWERED - How long will my reboot take?

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Mateo89, Oct 29, 2017.

  1. David you have some ubermench complex, its IS sickening... it piss! Anyway, gratz on 14 days no PMO, come elaborate after you LEARN something ON YOUR OWN, because now, you are just like a parrot repeating other ppl without any own experiences at all - and you cant fight that FACT! Deal with it. You come here with bad news for everybody, you preach it like a Bible, yet you are absolutely a novice in this - is this a joke? Good one!

    Good job programing yourself to years of recovery!! Just dont spread this further, its sick. We can heal in months absolutely yes, we can do wheatever the fuck we want. I believe in THAT, you belive in YEARS of BS. I wonder, what is supporting the fast recovery more? There are no facts to this, this is not robotics but human brain. There are tons of ppl here who healed much faster than you describe, sucess story is full of them, maybe go there for some positive input and forget this clown doctor - who needs to make it look like he heals the most vile disease so he gets the credits and paper!!! OFC he is gonna say EXACTLY what he is saying - he cant come there and say its easy and everyone can do that - because that would made him irrelevant!!! LOGIC
     
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  2. Mateo89

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    First off you need to read comments clearly dude. Your words are all over the place. Is english your second language? Or u just have social anxiety?

    Whose David? If ur referring to me im Mateo. And I havent gone 14 days ive gone 10 months. Ive been contributing the entire way since then on this site and still notice.improvements

    Heres a post i made at 8 months
    https://www.nofap.com/forum/index.p...s-in-of-no-pmo-reboot-ask-me-anything.112334/

    I also host a 50 member kik. Support group on recovery from this addiction.

    I believe true contribution to this forum is to educate. Just like how we were educated not to use drugs we gotta educate for porn. Its the modern day cigarrette. Its a phemomenon thats drastically shifting our culture.

    The information being shared is not the gospel or anything thats preaching nothing. Ur obviously being incredibly defensive which u shouldnt be. Its just one word; awareness.
    These were observations that were studied over large groups of addicts and that is what they saw on average in terms of recovery stages. Are there gnna be deviations from that? Sure! There always is in medicine. U hear about those miraculous cures from this or that w.e. good for them but to hope blindly like that in regards to this would naive and dangerous. Ppl need to seek help. Get support. Take it serioisly.

    Fact of the matter is, the information and studies observed on this addiction is needed to raise awareness on the level of addictiveness and damage porn has on the brain. The studies show ppl now that porn can ruin your life and alter the brain the same way injesting chemicals can. Behavioral like porn is no different than substances like cocaine regarding the brain, they both superstimulate dopamine and alter brain function. Therefore recovery times are similar, which goes upwards to a year depending on severity.

    Thr naivety and liberal attitude of *oh its just sex its natural, its healthy* we had towards pmo is what is causing the pandemic of guys having sex issues today.

    and we as millennials gotta own up to that if were gnna spark change.

    Best
    Mateo
     
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  3. so how are u doing after 215 days? feeling like you need 300 more? or 600? I doubt it. Anyway, as I said, time will tell very soon. Im not more defensive than you are man. I dont believe in this years BS and thats it. But I believe that if you believe you will need years to recover, than indeed thats what you will get. And no, cocaine doesnt need years of recovery.

    This is so incredibly vague I cant go on. What is healed at a 1st place?? This has totally no ground what so ever. After 3 months I have zero urge to play porn at all. Am I healed from my addiction? What are we even talking about here? Ofcourse we cant find common ground when we talk about butterflies and rainbows.

    No... believe in what you want, serve it to us like a facts if thats what makes your day. Its your right to do so. Mine right is to oppose it. That was done.
     
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  4. Mateo89

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    Its been the hardest year of my life. I spent a lot of time doing my research and contributing here because I was in so much turmoil from the reboot. Never gave up, never expected anything sugarcoated. Accepted it for what it was and just took it day by day.

    As of today, its a success story. I probably need a solid 3-4 months to get my libido back optimally, but all the negative symptoms like mood swings, deprssion, despair, urges what have you are all behind me. It was like I woke up from a coma. I speak more clear and concise, I am more focused, more masculine, less swayed by emotions, more ambitious, etc. The longer you do it, you will see transformations in your life longterm, not pertaining only to your reboot, but your career, family life, relationship life, overall demeanor and character. These things continue to go on years after. All your repressed development is now coming out into the surface.

    Overall i continue to keep the same attitude I took in the beginning. Never expect anything to be given. I prepare for anything and go in all or nothing. Once I'm out? its not enuf, now I build my life I have always envisioned. Now I repair my body of all the stress of going thru this reboot. Now I become the man I envisioned.

    I'm merely starting the race I never ran. I know where I'm going.

    And I believe a big part of recovery is to contribute back to the community. Give your dues for all that you've taken.

    Everything I share is information and research that can used to help someone who needs it. To enlighten, and while it may not always be easy to accept, thats the way we grow.

    Best
    Mateo
     
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  5. Davidphd1866

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    I fail to see how complimenting someone's efforts (namely, my complimenting and appreciating the efforts that Mateo contributes to this site) would elicit such name calling as "ubermensch".

    Such name calling leaves me undeterred. I will continue to offer my appreciation to those who make genuine efforts to help all of us.

    Thank you for the well wishes on my two week accomplishment.
     
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  6. BulletClub4Lyfe

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    Im not here to pretend like I know what im talking about. I came here for help and if I have to reboot for over 2 years so be it
     
  7. Good luck, yes in one post I confused the poster my bad. That part thus doesnt make sense but im not gonna hide and edit it. My opinion was stated, I dont believe in the theory of years and the doctor stating this doesnt seem honest to me plus I described the possible agenda behind his motives.

    Here, we cant say who is right, because to do so, we would need to define the term "healed" precisely. For one it can be no urge to play P and M to it, for other it might be catching up the years of procrastination caused by pmo back.

    I offered the idea of comparing this addiction to other addiction and I picked one of the most severe addictions to do so. Also I added 20 years of cigarette adiction as a refference point and my personal experience with it. As u might know, I stopped PMO and everything else described in my badge at a same day, that was 90 daya back. I feel exactly as each addiction progresses over time. Only lasting one is cigs. Pmo was intense at start but not now. I slipped at day 62 but that was a good thing for me - off topic. My PMO is healed as a addiction. My brain was de-wired. Now I rewire. Thats a standard man to woman interaction. I dont believe it will take the time u describe. We will see who was right very soon. Thats the bottomline of this discussion.

    Ps: send from phone, spelling...
     
  8. Mateo89

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    I think there is a contrast of intent here. Try to see where I'm coming from here. My whole intent was to share knowledge and information currently available on this issue of addiction based on researchers smarter than me who've studied it. I'm simply spreading the information that's available on this topic so that people can start to be responsible and mature about this issue.

    Your intent seems to be focused more on your own recovery, which is fine but keep your opinions to yourself if you don't have any basis to contribute to the information being shared.

    Lastly if you actually watched the video, you will see that Doctor Patrick clearly mentions recovery as being not only mental, but physical, relationship, other social damage as well. So recovery was defined pretty clearly actually. Addiction affects every aspect of your life, so recovery, essentially would include recovering the damage to every part of your life that was done; hence the 2 year timeline.

    A simple return of sexual function, doesn't negate the continual healing of the brain/body undergoes followed by this event.

    For example, Gabe Deem mentions in his story it took him 9 months to get sexual function back, but continued to notice improvements sexually for up to 2 years. This included things like, better erections, better sensitivity/enjoyment, lower refractory period, mood etc. Another year or so later he made reboot nation from having no job. The goal of recovery is to reach the full capacity of healing including mentally, biologically and socially; not just a return of sexual function.
     
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  9. ritch_k

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    I am starting the no_fap challenge, 1.8years of no PMO
     
  10. mgz069

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    Very interesting topic! I've been looking for a formula for a while now although its very hard to get an exact number because the variables are countless from person to person.
    On my case, I am 29 YO, been fapping since 11(mostly on imagination but sometimes with porn), but the heavy porn use started at 20 until 29 (because I had my own space). I've had more than 20 different sexual partners so far, but the sex was on and off for a few weeks and one-night-stands with some of them. So in total of the fap sessions outnumber my sexual interactions by a lot!!! I've gone like 1+ year without normal sex during this time.
    So what would be an estimate for my recovery?
     
  11. Davidphd1866

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    I'd estimate something in the two to three year category.
     
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  12. thanks for this post, mateo
     
  13. mgz069

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    How many flatlines did you go through during your journey? What were the most bothering symptoms of them?
     
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    Hi ., i will be trying two months with no sexual contact etc , but how are you lasting that long???
    9 months?? is that with no sexual contact?
     
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    Hahaha,

    Me too and I'm 9 months in. I figure I've got another year.
     
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  17. Boegedozer

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    Hello Mateo and everyone. I think that I am currently withdrawing so please get back to me as as soon as possible. So my story is I had a nine year addiction from age 13 to 22. I currently have been rebooting since April 21st and only relapsed 3 times to porn. I am not edging or anything like that. I have experienced the stuff you say like getting back my normal sexual function with getting hard normally around girls again. I relapsed today because I am panicking because I wake up and feel scared most of the day. I am feeling anxious and depressed. I live in Minnesota so I do not know if this is season depression disorder or a withdrawal from my reboot. I am panicking so I would greatly appreciate a response to tell me what is happening and what to expect going forward. A few weeks ago I feel the same way, anxious and scared and an upset stomach which lead to puking.
     
  18. Mateo89

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    The removal of any addiction, in ur case pornography, is a stressful event for your body. So therefore your body will begin to secrete higher levels of stress hormones being cortisol and adrenaline to adapt to the stress of reboot. During this time, particularly you may subjectively feel in a state of anxiety, stress which can lead to panic attacks or flu like symptoms. Normally guys who have more severe addictions or have weaker physical bodys will feel this more intensely. So it's important during this time u give ur body as much nurture and support as possible. Don't further stress ur body, eat as much nutrition based food as u can. Get as much sleep as u can . Supplement with vitamin c, zinc, and a multivitamin etc. Any other concerns go bring them up with a doctor for peace of mind

    Best
    Mateo
     
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  19. Boegedozer

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    I am sincerely grateful for your reply Mateo. I have a few more questions. Based off your time line i have another 9 months to go to get to 18 to complete my recovery. Does this sound good to you? Also, i have relapsed only 3 times during my first 9 1/2 months which i don't think should affect my complete recovery. Does this sound reasonable to you? Also what does it feel like and how to you know when you have made a complete complete recovery for which in my case sound like 18 months?
     
  20. Mateo89

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    The best way to assess your recovery is to log it in a journal. Most withdrawals symptoms tend to reside anywhere between 3-6 months. And takes another bout of 3-6 monthsmont your sexual function to return. Followed by that there should be smaller increments of improvements you may notice over the course of another 3-6months. Changes aren't always going to be linear, you'll have dips and highs, which will lesson over time.

    You'll know your coming out of addiction when your symptoms improve , you don't feel dependant on it and aren't stressing just to avoid it. Your attraction to girls feels natural. You get strong morning wood etc. For me alot of my reboot time i felt like my brain was being constantly squeezed by a wrench or something. I felt stressed all the time. Once that went away i knew it was on the right track

    Best
    Mateo
     
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