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A Woman sees me as sex object

Discussion in 'Rebooting in a Relationship' started by SnowWhite, Dec 14, 2016.

  1. SnowWhite

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    It irritates me when a woman says to me "leave me your t-shirt, I want to smell it".
    This sets me back and I feel treated as a sex object.

    This specific woman is rather "wild" but apparently she is also full of fear.
    She often flees and escapes, comes back after weeks, etc.

    For her, sex is like a drug to numb her fears.
     
  2. Darkstar 22.84

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    Let me get Freudian here: with a nickname like that, what the fuck do you expect?

    So, what can I deduce from your post?

    1. That you suffer from a heavy case of Nice Guy - Prince Charming syndrome.
    You want to be immaculate (hence Snow White)
    You want to be pure, blameless.
    Therefore, you get a little passive aggressive (more like A LOT)
    Something tells me an absent father coupled with an overbearing mother are to be found in your past.
    That's why you want to rescue the poor girl from her own fucking libido.
    And if she doesn't comply your perfect world, she's to blame, of course.
    The scapegoat.
    Cherchez la Femme

    2. She wants to smell your shirt? Egad, what a fiend!
    She's a monster, clearly.
    See, this proves to me that you know jack shit about women.
    Women's arousal is a complex process and it's reliant on the senses (touch, smell, taste) .
    We, on the other hand, are fucking visual.

    3.
    Maybe you creep her the fuck out with your Good-Boy Routine.
    I know I would run, too.

    4. Where the FUCK is your sense of authenticity? When the HELL are you just going to allow yourself to be vulnerable?
    If she's not fit for you, why the FUCKITY STARS IN THE SKY are you STILL complaining about her?

    5. Why am I even bothering writing this?

    6. I must be really lonely

    7. I'm sure your response will be a snazzy passive aggressive shit-fest at my expense.

    8. I do NOT give a fuck. Learn what you can and move on.
    Like men do.
     
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  3. Darkstar 22.84

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    Mine too. What a surprise, we match!
     
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  4. SnowWhite

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    Thanks a lot for your writing, you are really good psychologist! I even saved your post!

    Just what do you mean with that? I ALLOW myself to be vulnerable - or do you mean something else?

    No, no, no, here you are really wrong! I totally appreciate your writing, it's really great. Thanks a lot!

    ... Why do you write me then?

    Oh you asked it already yourself ;)

    Maybe! Now that puzzles me - why are you alone? Something must be wrong ...
     
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  5. SnowWhite

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    I love it when she gets off with me. She smells me, I smell her, I just don't want to leave my t-shirt!
    I hate the idea that she masturbates with my t-shirt, without me !!!

    Let's say I want her back. What advice would you give me?

    She often asked me "are you angry at me?"
    - and I said "No,why? I love you. You gave me great moments" (which is true!)

    But maybe I should tell her "Yes, I AM angry at you! You Bitch! "
    - This is not true, but maybe she wants that to hear, maybe it arouses her ?
     
  6. SnowWhite

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    My t-shirt-smeller-girl told me: "The way you treat others, is like you really feel inside of you".

    What do you think of this, master ?
     
  7. Darkstar 22.84

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    I think she's right.

    First, I'm no master. Stop calling me that. I'm just a guy like you, on a journey of self-discovery.
    Secondly, high status attracts women. High status is achieved through behavior.

    If you're a high status quality man, doesn't mean you're rich or perfectly handsome.
    It means you're a dude who's happy with his life, his job, his hobbies and is helping others on his path to greatness.

    Mark Molnar talks about this. Read his book: Models.

    To summarize, people notice you got your shit together (or don't) based on 3 simple things:

    1. how you treat others
    2. how others treat you
    3. how you treat yourself

    So, if I think of myself as a piece of shit, no good fucker, useless wanker, if I do attract a beautiful, smart woman how do you think I would treat her?
    If I don't respect & cherish my own damn self, how in the fuck am I suppose to respect & cherish others?

    See, T-shirt girl is wise. She's hot, by the sound of it.
    She's probably in the 1% of women who gets tons of guys throwing themselves at her, acting like idiots because
    'hey, she's beautiful, I have to impress, right?'

    WRONG.

    The one time I started bedding hot women, I never ONCE mentioned their looks to them.
    I had sex with a perfect looking, 5 feet 5 inches (1.70 meters) tall chick, who was just perfect for me, without ever saying to her that she's incredibly beautiful. Because she was.
    She knew she was. ALL men notice this, first & foremost about her. ALL approach her for sex or personal validation.
    I noticed she was too shy (contrast, right?) and even kinda meek.
    Example: she said her sign was Leo, almost like a cat giving a tiny, tiny meow.
    I said 'Girl, you're Leo? That's a powerful star sign! People should hear your roar, girl!'

    I love lions. And the Lannisters. But I digress.

    So, lucky you, you have T-shirt girl. Learn from her, cherish her, DON'T put her on a pedestal.
    There are no 10's or 7's out there, mate!
    There's only 1's or 0's.

    1 is a girl I'm interested in (physically and intelectually).
    0 is a girl in which I'm not.

    You will be symplifing your life 100 % if you stat doing this. It seems you got all the bases covered.
    If I had a girl begging to sniff my T-shirt man, I would see that as a motive of pride.
    And a sign of her attachment to you.

    Give up your raggedy ass shirt, man!

    If you value clothes so much, go and masturbate in the Men's Clothes department. Leave the women to us.
    You clearly love fucking T-shirts...

    Sarcasm aside, you really have a shot with this girl. Don't treat her as a fuck-buddy, as a lover or as a sex-thing.
    Treat her as a human.

    Talk with her as you would a pall. Excise the 'Dude, my balls are itchy!' parts and you should be okay.


    She's looking for an honest reaction. She wants authenticity.
    Most girls want that.

    A real man is an honest man.

    When one of my Ex'es once told me 'You never say NO to me' or 'I never had a brother to play with'
    these were all warning signs and life lessons.

    Looking back, I realize I should've taken a stand more actively.
    Simply say:

    'This shit is NOT okay in my book.'

    Don't give reasons why. Just draw a line in the sand, if your limits are met.
    It's okay to have limits. It's non-needy.

    Wanna know what's fucked up?

    Having your limits crossed and trampled on without saying a word, all for the sake of pussy.
    I've been that needy asshole.

    Don't be like me.
    Be smarter.
     
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  8. SnowWhite

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    T-Shirt-Girl is hot, but she is like all here in the community:

    We fap on porn, she faps on my t-shirt.

    From the beginning on she told me: "my sexual desire is extreme"

    She calls herself "Fire Walk" ;)

    She is that kind of a vamp-woman who is 'eating' men.
    Not able to go for a relationship, running away all the time, a new man every 2 months.
    She appears strong, but inside there must be something else.

    I just enjoy the time and be thankful for what I experienced with her.
    When she does not come back, it's simply over.
     
  9. SnowWhite

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    You know that this was a joke.
    But in the moment you say "I'm no master", you are setting yourself lower, and your appearance is shrinking in my eyes. It's interesting. That's just a feedback to you. I will note this also for myself.
     
  10. SnowWhite

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    Right!

    And therefore I say: NO!!!

    I have my book of rules, and one rule says: Only real contact.
    No facebook, no picture, no mail, no t-shirt!

    And that's what I said to t-shirt-girl!
    Then she told me something like "You make me fear" ... "What has that all to do with masturbation?"
     
  11. dlala

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    Just to give you a woman's perspective here, when I know my boyfriend is going away for awhile, I'll ask him to spray his cologne on my teddy bear or give me a T-shirt he's worn. It's not sexual in nature at all. It's a comfort thing. I miss him when he's away, and his scent is a nice reminder of him. It helps me sleep at night when he's not there, since I'm used to sleeping with him every night.

    Maybe it's different with this girl, but I'd say the majority of women ask for an item of a man's not to sexualize it, but as a reminder that you're still there even when you aren't physically there.
     
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  12. Darkstar 22.84

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    Wait, a guy from the internet is changing his opinion about me?!!



    Hold on while I slit my wrists...

    So what?!

    So what if she masturbates on your T-shirt? It's carrying your scent, so she's doing it to your memory.
    How can you be jealous on a piece of cloth, man?

    Like, seriously.

    What age are you? 2o something right?
    In ten years from now, you'll feel pretty cool when a woman masturbates to one of your personal items.
    If you won't, you'll be a square.

    A boring, 'I regret I spent so much time talking to your ignorant ass' type of square.
    But you're not totally boring.
    No, there's still some potential in you.

    I hope
     
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  13. SnowWhite

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    HA HA HA .... LOL ! ;)

    Well, see it the other way round:
    You ask your girlfriend for a photo, then at home, you masturbate on it!
    How would you see that?

    But well, it trickles into my mind....
    You mean, she does it to my memory, so that she is longing to see me?

    If that's the case, ok, then maybe would think it's good.

    Maybe I'm dumb. Maybe I should be a little more flexible... ;)

    I was jealous on the fact that she is aroused without me!
    I want to see, feel, hear, smell her when she is aroused!
    And I love that!

    No, 44 ....

    Oh, oh, maybe I already became one ...
    Must quickly turn the wheel around ...

    Thanks, man, that gives me hope!! Appreciate it!
    Had a lot of fun to talk with you!!
     
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  14. Darkstar 22.84

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    Not the same thing...

    Spanking the Monkey DOES NOT EQUAL Polishing the Pearl in terms of Sensuality & Outer Appeal.

    I would provide pictures to exemplify but this is not the place nor the time to share them.

    Oh, I apologize...

    I did not realize I was talking to someone who was alive during the Prohibition Era.
    Or when Bette Davis was a virgin.

    But... all kidding aside, you got it made.
    A great, sensual woman, with a healthy sexual appetite is smitten with you!
    So much so, that she's M-ing to your honor, to the memory of your glorious member!

    Whitey, you have it made.
    Who cares if she's a Consumer of Men? Don't judge her.
    It's everyone's choice what they do with their privates. It's a free world.
    Isn't it??

    Think about it this way: when you're bonking her, you're the ONE.
    The Only ONE.

    Her One & ONLY.

    And who knows? Maybe you'll stay more in her life than you know.
    IF you don't flake.

    And if you just chill and let her do her thing, you know?
    Have boundaries, of course. It's natural.
    Say 'stop!' when she wants to place foreign objects in your butt.
    See, there are limits.

    But if she rubs one out on your T-shirt, be a gentleman about it.

    Offer her your jacket.
    'Hey, it's got more spice, baby'
    :cool:

    Or better yet: ask for her panties.
    Mementos are the bomb.

    Good luck, tiger!
     
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  15. SnowWhite

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    Indeed, that would have been the right answer ;)
    Anyway, currently it seems this chapter is over.
    So let's move on.

    I look back thankfully. The affair with her was super-great, and has made me more free.
    I've learned that I was clinging to certain beliefs, and these beliefs had chained me to PMO.

    Now I feel that there are less chains now.

    And (from your profile): Better to have loved and lost, than never to have loved at all!

    Always see the positive side !
     
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  17. Tesslynne

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    And how the FUCK does an average woman like me stop putting handsome MEN on a pedestal, please tell me. Esp. when it's rare I actually see a guy I AM attracted to, so when I do I treat him like he's a freaking Adonis sent from heaven? SIGH, I am so SICK of hearing about how MEN do this well FFS not every WOMAN is a confident man-eater, so master TEACH ME PLEASE!!!!!!!
     
  18. SnowWhite

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    Just by not telling yourself that you are "average".

    It's never good to put an other person on a pedestal. That's the killer for any relationship.
     
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  19. Tesslynne

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    You're so right about that.
    Both of those things.
    Plus, to be completely honest, even though I think I am average, though sometimes I can see what the fuss is about, sometimes men call me beautiful and hot.
    And I need to stop calling myself average, whether I am or not, it doesn't feel that great when there are better things i could be calling myself. Thank you. So much!
     
  20. Darkstar 22.84

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    Simple.
    Get to know the person beforehand.

    I mean, I often see attractive women in my city, my country is full with them.
    But if she starts acting in a repulsive way, the attraction for me, is gone.

    What repulses me? Ignorance, arrogance and an undeserved sense of entitlement.
    Once she thinks herself above all rest, just in terms of looks, not professional achievements or even personal growth, she goes lower on my scale.

    Perhaps, with your case, just admitting that the guy is human after all.
    He's not perfect. Only the Gods are perfect.

    Maybe you're just sick & tired of our boring reality, maybe you loved movies as a child and now you're projecting, overlapping your expectations over a given fact.
    We're all guilty of this, sometimes.

    I do this, as well.

    But the moment I thought to myself 'Hey, I'm single and it's okay, even if I die alone' that was the moment the paradigm inside me changed.
    Even if I hate my puffy winter-coat, I still get looks from women.

    Now, all I got to do is achieve First Contact (Go & talk to a girl).

    Maybe talk to the guy? Find out his hobbies, hopes and dreams.
    Share some of yours with him.

    You know, work for a genuine human connection & interaction. Not just 'OMG, such perfect cheek bones, I wanna hump your bones NOW!'

    Because that's just PMO sexualization talking. Not the real you.

    Just my two cents.
     
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