masturbate without porn?

The effects of masturbation alone are not as bad as porn. But masturbation can still causes problems on its own when you do it a lot. So, try no porn and no masturbation and no orgasm (when you cum or ejaculate). You must be patient. OK?

 

That seems like a healthy amount if it's without porn.
The problem with some people, me included, is that if i do it without porn i end up doing it with porn anyway the same day or the next day as the urges get stronger, so i avoid it too.

 

Personally, I would not consider this OK @gasco. As I said, masturbation still causes problems. I would stop masturbating. If you cannot, then you have an addiction problem. It is the same as alcohol. Someone may drink 1-3 times a week, but it should be easy to stop. If they cannot, they have an addiction. You do not have to have the worst alcohol or masturbation addiction to need to address the problem. Stop masturbating for a month to start with and see what you experience. OK?

 

Its somewhat like havin a piece of rat poison in your mouth but not swallowing it.

 

The problum for me is all the images i ran through my mind when i did it with out porn was just images from porn stored in my brain anyway or memories from sex with women. I made my own porn in my mind. So its basicly the same thing.

Also i became so jaded and messed up that the only value of having sex with a women is it gave me new images to mastuebate to. And also, even with a women i could not orgasm during sex no matter how hot she was unless i was running images in my mind from porn and other women while having sex. I was so checked out and not present with them at all and was actully just using women as an extention of my masturbation. Women would say, where are you? I feel like you are a million miles away, and not even with me! And they were right. I had so jaded my self with streams if images from porn and masturbation to euphoric recall that i could not enjoy normal sex at all...

So stoping all of it and a full reboot is the real cure.. its not that masturbation is bad. Its the images you run through your mind that keep you messed up.

 

in the Basics pages of this website is a full definition of the reboot process.. you might have to look at the full web version, and not the smartphone smaller versio of the website

 

I don't think there is a full definition as every reboot is different, which makes sense since we are all different and we aren't at the same point. Some people will need 30 days and some 400, and some will need hard mode and some won't. What they have in common is the removal of artificial sexual stimuli from our lives, porn or any substitute.

 

I started on the other end of the spectrum. I started MO because it felt so good. I was a slow starter, just a couple of weeks short of 15, and had no experience with P. I had already experienced a few wet dreams, and I was disgusted by the girls that I dreamed of and what I did to them. It was just too weird seeing them in class the next day, dressed and smiling. When I realized that I quit having wet dreams when I MO-ed, it was a win-win. I felt good, and I had no more problems with the unwanted images of wet dreams. When I discovered P, it was long before the internet, but it wasn't connected with MO. After looking at it for a while, I would be so excited that I would have to go relieve the pressure with MO, but the images did not carry over. MO was more of a pressure reliever. It was almost like going to the bathroom after a couple of beers, so you can go back and drink more. When I finally managed to hook myself on internet P, it still got in the way of MO. It was really difficult to keep watching and get to O. Without the screen shots, I concentrated better on the sensations.

 

what if someone watches P0rn without masturbating?

 

I am not sure what you require in the way of an answer. But porn is poison. We need to get it out of our lives and the neural pathways that lead us there to be replaced with pathways towards healthy activities. This is a porn recovery site.

 

Yeah, I understand that. But people often masturbate when they watch porn right? Meaning they link porn to pleasure/orgasm. I was just interested in what would happen when people watch porn without physically stimulating themselves.

 

Well, watching porn still produces large amounts of dopamine in the brain. It can be pleasurable to watch porn even if it doesn't result in an orgasm or it isn't linked with some sort of physical stimulation.

 

I see, thanks for explaining.

 

Its somewhat like keeping a piece of rat poison in your mouth but not swallowing it.

 

good analogy!