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People who think P or PMO is okay.

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by sexytime, Jul 9, 2016.

  1. sexytime

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    It is really bothering to see some adults that preach that PMO is okay. I honestly think they should be kicked out of NoFap. Some people over here are trying to recover from a really bad addiction. After reading some of these stupid posts, people might find it as an excuse to return back to their addiction. This is absolutely bad. It can be a trigger for many fragile people.

    If the response is, we can't just kick them out. "Freedom of speech". I suggest to have a separate forum for them. Something for the opposition. This might be too much to ask but I know that when people debate, things get clearer because you hear two sides of things. So this forum can turn into a debate section as well. Debates can really help and can add on to recovery.
     
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  2. Jinx

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    I think P can be ok... I just don't think it is ok for me. Should I not be on the forum, @sexytime ...?

    This isn't a cult. People and posts can't just be removed any time someone dislikes them or what is said.

    Don't worry too much about it... The forum has mods if stuff gets out of control.
     
  3. sexytime

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    @Jinx you are right. I was just angry at the fact that there are people here who are suffering and on the other hand there are some ignorant people. I know for a fact that my beliefs are correct. My reaction however was wrong.
    I am going to delete this post.
     
  4. ReadyToStop

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    Alcoholics know that a glass of wine can be fine for most people. It's just that this avenue of pleasure is now permanently closed for them. The same is said for P & M addicts. There was a time when it was fine for us but we let it take control of us. Now that is no longer a possibility.

    Forums are Forums. Conversation is conversation and freedom reigns.
     
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  5. larrylarrylarry

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    I agree with you, those people should be kicked out from NoFap.

    It's not an issue of Freedoom of Speech, I am the first one to advocate our First Amendment, it's a question of Respect. This Forum if for people who have made the decision to subscribe to NoFap, run by people who have made the decision to subscribe to NoFap.

    Those who disagree can go out there and make their own Forum, calling us names if they want to, and make sure that we are not welcome there by banning us and kicking us out if they want to. But coming in here and picking fight it is disrespectful, they are uninvited and unwelcome.

    Here's what probably happening: these people do not have an opinion nor an original thought. They are addicted trolls who get their kicks by trolling the web and contradict people for the sake of trolling, it's easy and they are addicted to the stupid rush that they get from it.

    It happens on Reddit all the time.

    The proper action is for the users like us to ignore them (don't feed the trolls), report them if possible (I am new to this site and to NoFap in general) and for the administrators to ban them at the IP level (again, not sure if possible since I am new).
     
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  6. Jinx

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    New to the forum, new to NoFap, but "Here is what is happening and how to fix it"... :-/
     
  7. Mr. Mind Right

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    Fuck that, for recovering porn addicts, there is no in between! There is no, 'im gonna fap to celebrate my 1 mark today and its back to nofap tomorrow'. No, we need to rid ourselves of porn completely in order to heal. Its either heal or risk having PIED
     
  8. BrianHM

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    One of the reason why I am considering if I should stay on the forum or just continue with my day, and only read the success stories. Because it doesn't help if there is so many things that puts you off the road of the recovery, if in the first place you came here to stay on that lane of recovery.
     
  9. Hotshot

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    I personally think it isn't okay for anyone. I think it will create a rift at some point even if it is a couple in a "healthy" relationship. If you play with fire you get burned. That doesn't mean people will see the harm in it until it's too late. It took me nearly 20 years and nearly my entire life, I'm 25, to see the harmful affects.
     
  10. Rav70

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    Normally the ones who post shit like that are the ones too weak to stay the course so they make excuses why it's harmless and try to drag people down into the shit hole with them.
    Avoid negative posts...
    All or nothing!
     
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  11. True statement, but do the people who manufacture wine threaten, extort, blackmail, coerce or force their employees? Do people making wine routinely spread, catch or die from std's? Does the wine industry degrade and dehumanize women and girls? Are the people over at the winery all hooked on drugs and alcohol to deaden themselves to allow them to do their wine making jobs? Do they turn rape and abuse into a positive 'sexy' thing? Contribute to marriage destruction by causing acting out or by glamorizing infidelity? Plant societal lies about women, depicting them all as being sexually available sluts? Create male insecurities based on penis size? Glamorize slavery? Sexualize children? Promote racism that is acceptable in no other media?

    The porn industry has very little in common with those that make wine, and is the only industry I can think of that is allowed to operate like this. If any other business, agency, corp, or industry conducted themselves in the ways the porn industry does, they'd be shutdown immediately while investigation after investigation took place.

    It's not just a consumer issue (us), it's also a production issue (them) people need to think about.
     
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  12. Rav70

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    Amen brother!!
     
  13. Owari

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    Those people exist?

    That's sad. People here are trying to quit PMO and people like that think it's OK to come here? Freedom of Speech is one thing, but that's not even right. Not to mention, it can cause some people to have worse urges by providing "justifications", which is what my brain subconsciously does during an urge. Besides, could those people be from porn companies to begin with?

    Sick.
     
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  14. It's possible. The industry is very concerned about the anti porn movement. People are waking up and realizing what porn is, what it does, the long term impacts, how it's in the hands of children everyday, etc.

    The National Center on Sexual Exploitation printed an excerpt from an article in a porn industry trade publication. The porn industry knows about the the turning tide of public opinion on their product, and they're nervous as all hell.

    "I continually hear from industry that porn has become so ingrained in modern culture that it has now become virtually mainstream to the masses and there is no putting that Genie back in its bottle.

    While I agree that adult entertainment has become much more accepted by a larger segment of modern society than it was pre-Internet, I believe we are beginning to see the pendulum swinging back towards more conservative values and while the Genie may or may not be able to be forced back into the bottle it can certainly be made to hide — one way or another.



    The industry is seeing attacks coming from multiple fronts — not only government representatives and regulators but also financial institutions and online corporate giants that were once only too happy to be doing business with the industry. There have always been right wing and religious organizations that have fought to criminalize all pornography, online and offline — such as MIM (Morality In Media) — the difference now is that more and more are actually listening to these groups and taking them much more seriously.

    Porn has recently been portrayed in the media as a “public health crisis in the US” that is destroying relationships, the family, causing people to leave the church, sexualizing children, contributing to alcohol and drug abuse and leading to an increase in sexual violence against women and children. It has even been claimed recently that watching porn shrinks the human brain — not kidding — look it up.

    So why now after 20 years is the anti-porn movement gaining so much traction?"
     
  15. BrianHM

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    That's some extremely good news, especially for those like (me) whom has fallen to all of these pixelated nude humans, both man/woman. After all, it's a product that causes harm at a rapid rate, and I am glad peoples are beginning to be conscious about the long + short term effect porn those to ones mind/spirit etc.
     
  16. Jinx

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    Alexander has stated from very early on that criticism is welcomed as long as it is done in a constructive fashion and that censoring will not happen.

    Suggesting that people should be banned from the forums for disagreeing with your personal views on PMO isn't going to do anything except get yourself and others riled up...

    There are threads for sharing your successes and for yoyr struggles. Use them. If you want to fight nay-sayers, do it through improvements of yourself and sharing your journey.

    But shittin' on people who you feel are jusy shittin' on you just ends up in....lots of shit.
     
  17. BrianHM

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    Just saying but there is a difference between pornography and real actual sex.

    Pornography in itself is something that doesn't help in any way aside from damaging your own brain, body and spirit. And I am fairly sure, we can all agree on this part.

    Sex however if done with a real actual person (connection with an actual human being) is a total different experience, than stroking away your hands at watching a male and female going at it on the screen. Even better, research on Tantric Sex.

    And the point about industry peoples coming in on the forum (because it's hard to distinguish who is who) can be both true/false.
     
  18. Jinx

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    Sure. But one isn't inherently more healthy than the other. If I had real actual sex with a hooker rather than PMOing to homemade porn of my wife, would you feel the same?

    Porn or sex can both be abused. And some folks are more likely than others to have trouble with it. Just like some folks are predisposed or wired for being addicted to drinking booze, gambling, or smoking while others can do those same activities socially without even a hint of addiction.

    I just don't see the value in vilifying all porn. It is not some dark and mysterious magical force that turns everyone into victims.

    Acknowledge it can be abused and that the majority of us have abused it and then working to move beyond it.

    Having a "burn the witch!" reaction whenever someone on the forum is critical of porn, rebooting, etc. isn't helpful. It just seems like people are trying to convince themselves.

    NoFap has a hard enough time as it is to come across as "normal", without there being a mob of born-again anti-porn'ers scaring folks off... When newbies join, they will have questions and their views aren't always going to match those of many of the forum members. Respectfully share your opinion or provide feedback, but the majority of this thread seems to have folks with an attitude that would scare off people more than welcoming them.

    Share your own personal struggles and successes for those who are looking for help with their own PMO issues. That is definitely helpful to people and provides context to why you feel the way you do.

    Just my thoughts.
     
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  19. INSANE SMART WARRIOR

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    Hey guys,
    People who want join the Nofap are the people who want to quit masturbation and porn addiction. I am sure these people know the fact that these habits are bad for them that's why they decided to break them and they do tremendous amount of hard work to abstain from it, they change completely their life because these habits can't just break by abstaining from it, but they develop their social skills, they change their diet, they stop themselves when they find themselves wanting to watch porn etc shortly speaking they change their whole life style to break these bullshit habits. Now when someone post in the forum that porn addiction is good and when a person who want to break porn addiction see the post his motivation will become less you are discouraging these people. Don't underestimate the power of SUBCONSCIOUS MIND programming each and every word you write program the people mind so please try to understand don't write such things in forums that porn is ok. Instead write benefits of quitting these habits, write disadvantages of doing these habits as a lot of great people doing in Nofap they share their experiences about quitting from these habits so others people get motivated to abstain from them.

    Study has shown that porn is like drugs addiction, in both causes when a person want to do these habits chemical called Dopamine released in your brain. Porn is causing mental damage, porn addiction is more harmful than drugs addiction because people don't give much attention to it.

    There was days where I was also telling people that these habits are ok but deep inside a little part of me keep telling me that its wrong, as I keep going in life I come to the truth that these habits are really bad for us but I was lying to myself for years that its good. Do you why I was thinking that these habits are good because I was coward I was using porn to escape from my problems.
    You have to know the truth stay strong and find truth about porn addiction and in last you will find that these habits are bad.
     
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  20. BrianHM

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    @INSANE SMART WARRIOR
    You conveyed the insight I was trying to bring forward, and it's exactly how I feel, hence why I said there is a difference between real intimate sex connection between your partner (not hooker/whores/insert..whatever else products here) talking about real connection in your relationship, than pornography. Best to also look up the term Tantric Sex. @Jinx

    Do not underestimate the power of words. It can cause both harm/good. Hence why how this whole thread started.

    It may sound like peoples want to turn this place into a cult, but in reality, each place aims for a specific audience.

    And if one wants to change a habit from their life, then going cold turkey/hard mode can be beneficial, and also tuning in to the right radio station.
     

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