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Neuroscientist's study finds that porn isn't the culprit

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by Limp Biscuits, Mar 23, 2016.

  1. Limp Biscuits

    Limp Biscuits Fapstronaut

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    News story: Study Finds Porn Isn't Making Men Impotent.

    Link to actual study:
    "Viewing Sexual Stimuli Associated with Greater Sexual Responsiveness, Not Erectile Dysfunction"

    I'm suffering from limp dick and on day 5 (see my story). This makes me really sad. Are all the success stories just placebo effects? Or just people being all optimistic? Are there a lot of catholics behind this NoFap thing trying to convince guys like me to stop fapping for their own religious reasons?!

    I feel like doing my NoFap challenge is a HUGE sacrifice and I need to be sure it's gonna be worth it in the end!
     
  2. Mouseclicker

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    99% (truestory kek) of people that stick with NoFap report 'successful' results. Placebo or not, it works.

    You come off as incredibly beta. It appears you're just looking for ways to support your toxic addiction, in the case of you actually finding that source..

    Catholics? It wouldn't surprise me if 95% of religious followers including Catholics masturbated on a daily basis. If anything, the conspiracy is to get us to masturbate thereby making us stupid and prone to religion, because indeed, fapping lowers your IQ.

    Pleasuring yourself to two (normally) 80IQ individuals having fake sexual actions among a screen and internet in which both took extraordinary intellect to develop and thinking you have the right to call that a conspiracy.. Stop being such a beta primitive ape and just fucking try it. If you can't stop you know it's bad.
     
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  3. Penduder

    Penduder New Fapstronaut

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    If you are on this website, then you should be opposing articles such as this? What is to lose by going NoFap?
     
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  4. aka711

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    I agree with MyNameisX
    For me just the amount of guys that are having the same problem show that it is a real issue.
     
  5. Ikindaknew

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    Dude,

    I swear I don't have much time for religion. I'm a Roman catholic that doesn't practice. My willy was causing me grief (I'm 42 yo mind you) and I started to get better after a couple weeks of no PMO.
    The story says that if you started PMO'ing during this age of fast internet it will take a longer to heal, but hang tight!
    Mind you, I take a few natural supplements and I work out, that helps too. Stress is another factor that cause lower blood flow to the penis.
    I take -L-Arginine, B complex vitamin (need B6 in there!), zinc, magnesium, Maca with Ginseng, and allicin (odorless garlic pills). Most of these will deal with energy and increased blood flow. If I quit taking these, I'm still good to go. I seen these as a kickstarter to feel a little better.

    I swear I was losing interest way quick in real sex, I had PIED, I couldn't keep up an erection, I had to play with myself to try to keep it alive before PIV....

    I'm healed now...I get bigger erections because of better blood flow. I don't think abotu sex all day long like I used to...
     
  6. volt2187

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    @Limp Biscuits watch this video and if it doesn't change your perspective and attitude about porn then there isn't much we can do to change your mind. Porn use, more specifically high speed internet porn IS TO BLAME. There is no placebo. I don't follow any religion, never have and probably never will. I quit watching porn because it was ruining my life!

     
  7. You don't NEED to be sure, you WANT to be sure. What your brain is doing now is looking for an excuse to fap. Being unsure is good excuse. Well, you can't be sure. You might stay limp for life... Or you might recover with NoFap alone, without needing any other medical treatments. That's the fact. Only way is to wait and see. This kind of mentality is simply ridiculous when it comes to health. Not just sexual health but anything health related. There is not always a 100% guarantee than something will work in medicine. Whether that would be a treatment for cancer or cholesterol pills. We all are genetically different, our health problems are caused by different reasons, we have different habits, etc. There are just too many variables to be always 100% sure. That's why we try and see, and if it doesn't we try something else until we find something that does work.

    It isn't. Sacrifice means giving up something that's worth having, something very valuable. There is nothing valuable about sitting alone in a room and jerking off to pixels. Or jerking off alone general. Making love with living breathing woman is valuable! THAT'S a huge sacrifice! Sacrifice for what? For your own hand...

    Seriously man, you got it all backwards. What it seems to me is that you are looking for an excuse to release tension. Your brain is not rational. Because it IS hard. It's normal to wanna find a reason to stop. Will it be worth it to keep going? Maybe, maybe not. But at least you will have tried this option and won't have any regrets in that department. Losing few moths to couple years worth of O's for a CHANCE to regain healthy sexuality? Why wouldn't that be worth. What if there is only 5% (personally I think it's more closer to 95%, if your ED is induced by P, if it's induce by something else might be lower) chance that it will work? Well, if you not gonna try then there is 100% chance that it will stay the same. But if you hit that 5% return will be huge.
     
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  8. Phibz

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    If you just make this about your penis and a "need" to stick it in something, you just won't ever get this. Change has to take place on a spiritual, emotional, and mental level. People who "wait for a reboot" will never reboot.
     
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  9. Harvhe

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    I personally have no issue with people looking up alternative sources to the norm for the purpose of debate. (as long as the appropriate and intended intent is executed in a knowledgeable manner)

    Good for you for looking but that's just a abstract, not a full article that would in reality detail the entire means for us to see, so its not really academically significant other than a signpost that the research has took place.
     
  10. Professorial

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    I'm all for approaching NoFap as an experiment. See what happens. But I am wary of the desire to have scientific proof. The science is actually contentious, as all emerging science is. Two other things: telling someone they are a beta ape is useless and more about the poster's insecurity than anything else. If you are thinking in terms of dominance, I think you are also missing the point. My second point is that there is a strange kind of thinking at work about ED in general. Just because you have a dick doesn't mean it needs to be hard. It doesn't need to be hard to enjoy your own body or anyone else's.
     
  11. Actually....the article is correct, and also consistent with the Wilson vid. Where the article fails is in the length of exposure to porn. So, watch porn, for many of us, get aroused. This is especially true when we are first exposed to porn. What the article fails to appreciate is that over time, over years, of exposure to porn, we become desensitized. If the study had time to follow those guys for years it would find that, over years, they would become desensitized to porn. Really, it only takes a few hours to become desensitized to one video, but, given time, those guys, at least the ones with an addictive personality, would eventually migrate though various videos, various categories, some of them would start to migrate to gender bender videos, and by that time, they have totally desensitized to reality, aka, actual sex, and can develop PIED. So, if you actually have porn induced erectile dysfunction, as opposed to erectile dysfunction not caused by porn, the first step toward the cure is, desensitize to porn, meaning quit watching it, and give your brain time to resnsitize to reality (actual sex, with a breathing person, with a pulse).
     
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  12. Golgo 13

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    First off, it doesn't really matter what that article says. I am an atheist. It's no placebo. Trust me, I WISH it was.
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    I discovered YourBrainOnPorn when I was 18. I had PIED before 2 years before I even knew porn was bad. At 16, ED?
    YourBrainOnPorn.com is a scientific website too involving brain scans, and I have ALL the symptoms.
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    I could not get hard w/o porn NO MATTER WHAT. Eventually it came to the point where I could not get hard with it without porn. My dick had died. And I have been trying to make it come back to life ever since. Not watching porn and severely limiting masturbation helped tremendously.
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    Not tryna attack you. We're not some religious cult. It's good to question everything. But to us it's pretty clean porn is bad. The first step to recovery is accepting that porn is responsible for many of your sexual disfunctions.
     
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  13. By the way, no study alone would ever be taken seriously as a fact by any scientist in the right mind. For something to be recognized as a fact many, many studies have to be made under different conditions. Significant number of studies have to give the same result. Especially research that are based on correlations and implications, like psychology.
     
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  14. zadvanceppa

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    I don't even know most of you here on nofap. Its crazy how important you all have become in my life. Great insights. Thank you.
    I am a changed man when I give up masturbation. The improvements may not be linear but they are undeniable. I knew it for years but failed to research and most importantly; act upon it.
     
  15. diamondboi

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    It's bullshit. I'll tell you first hand that after ten years of porn usage, and almost no partners that porn is the culprit. Everytime I tried to get intimate with someone their was no life down below yet I could maintain a hard erection while watching porn. Not only that, but porn stripped me of any desire to seek a partner. Once I quit I was able to find someone.


    Guess what? After 21 days of abstinence I was able to comfortably achieve an orgasm, and satisfy my partner.

    These studies are so flawed. Show me studies of people who have had very few if no sexual partners, and use porn as their release for many years that didnt have PIED when they were with a women? A lot of these cases and studies are conducted on healthy males who have contentious relationships with womwen, and use porn as a source of release on the side conservatively.


    I went over 9 months without porn. I ended up relapsing few months ago, and non stop for the last 2 half months Iv'e been fapping to porn 2-3x a day. I decided I was going to start dating again after a rocky road in my life, and couldn't get it up with this women I saw 9 days ago. Since that day I quit porn, and fapping all over again. I was semi-stiff about a 50% erection.
     
  16. hey , im really angry i just read a study that was done by "psychology toady" and they pretty much made nofap out to be a joke and that ED has nothing to do with porn, they pretty much broke my heart as i only found nofap a few weeks back and was feeling so much better about my situation and finally found other people and a support group to help me with all that i have suffered in the last ten years of porn addiction and ED, they said that porn is not the problem, its all down to us all being misimformed about how our own bodies work, which is bullshit, how dare they tell us what we are experiencing with porn addiction??

    i never had ED in my life until i started internet porn, i didnt start internet porn until i was 27 so why in the height of my very "real" addiction to porn did i start getting ED, depression and horrible low self esteem??? i guess its all my fault for being a defunked human being? what do they want us to do, give up on nofap and return to porn and a miserable life??

    maybe they are taking bribes from porn companies to discredit nofap??

    either way they should back off because as far as i can see, nofap is not harming anyone, in fact its helping so many people find hope and support after years of being told that porn addiction and PIED doesnt exist, when it clearly does!!

    people are getting depressed and commiting suicide because of this condition and they think its right to try to make us all look like idiots, they should be ashamed of themselves!

    ok i feel better after that rant! NOFAP is here to help and here to stay!!!
     
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  17. Ikindaknew

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    Peace brother!

    In all cases, there is no long term study of a group of volunteers that exposed themselves to several years of PMO and were followed by scientists to determine what are the long term effects of that multi-year PMO experiment. Period. WE ARE THE LIVING PROOF that there is a problem, that we are the tip of the iceberg, THE PORNBERG, but we don't do this part of a scientifically "framed" study.

    They can say whatever they want. But I know that my willy is a lot more obedient now than before! I know that my sex life and my relationship are both better now.
    I take my nofap anyday over their stuff...
    But to be honest, most of us here will find what they need here, but not all! I'm sure there is a few cases of "unknown" medical conditions that might play a role in somebodie's ED here and there.

    The medical world will not support any forms of alternative medicine anyway.

    WE ARE DOING GUUD!
     
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  18. thanks man!

    yes you are right, of course not all ED is porn induced, it is indeed a "medical problem" for many men and has been way before internet porn,

    it would be totally wrong to maintain that its just porn that creates the condition and if the ED does not go away then i would totally suggest a trip to the doctor,

    but its just the article i read seemed to make nofap look silly, and i guess after ten long years of people telling me that porn addiction isnt real, i got kinda angry,

    its not so much about the ED which i did get "on and off" due to porn personally, its the fact that "porn addiction " itself seems to be getting lampooned as a silly figment of our imaginations and thats what i was more annoyed about,

    i guess ive had such a shitty porn experience over the years, im very protective of Nofap, as its been a total revelation to me after so long in isolation!

    peace!
     
  19. Golgo 13

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    The medical world still thinks marijuana has "no medical value". LMFAO.

    Bottom line, we know porn is cause us a problem so we shouldn't even entertain this neuroscientists flawed study (didn't follow around people fapping to porn ever day for years)
     
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