The dissolution of the United States/ of America

This sounds a bit like the Zionist Occupied Government theory, favorite of neo-Nazis everywhere. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, however, that that is not what you meant.

It wasn't multiculturalism the ruined the foundations of the US. First, the US was never a Christian nation. Many of the founding fathers were unbelieving deists (Thomas Jefferson even cut out all the stuff he didn't like out of the Bible). That's why the US never established a church like in Europe. Because the US was not founded on religious principles, but secular principles. Second, the US was doomed to begin with. That's because it was found on violence, the violence of the Native American genocide, and it will end in violence (like Rome before it). Expanding to the West according to the Divine Right guaranteed in the doctrine of Manifest Destiny, the US got too big for its britches. It became an empire and so became violent, bureaucratic and greedy. But like all empires, it was too big and governed too many people. Interestingly, some of the founding fathers saw this and wanted the Midwestern states to become their own country, as well as the southern states. If their arguments had won the day, North America would have as many countries as Europe does right now. Moral: smaller governments and populations are easier to govern in a just and fair manner.

Actually we can pretty much talk about whatever we want. I can say "Let's secede from the federal government!" and nobody will care. No SWAT team is going to pound down my door. As bad as the US might be, we still do have the right to freedom of speech (except maybe where it comes to criticizing corporations, you do have a point there). In fact a secessionist group in Vermont has been meeting regularly in the state capitol annually since 2003 with no problems. They even ran candidates for state offices in 2008 I believe and one of their candidates got 8 percent of the vote. Oh Vermont, how American with your farmer's markets and town hall meetings, how un-American without billboards and globally-produced foodstuffs!

As far as your PC stuff, well I think it's closer to an enclosure of the mind than anything else. We've been socialized into certain ways of thinking, and other ways of thinking (like pooping and peeing in the street instead of a toilet) are simply not options. I don't think this was done maliciously or to any higher purpose. Every society does this. It is the people that break out of the enclosures of their minds that their society imposed on them (like MLK for example) who become the true revolutionary thinkers of such societies. They also tend to end up dying.

Oh dear. Now I'm pretty sure you did mean what you said about the Rothschilds and their Zionist Occupied Government. Let me warn you now... we moderators here at NoFap do not tolerate hate speech, and white nationalism is pretty darn close to hate speech.

Interestingly, though, I've been reading a book about 14th century Europe and the relationship between corporations and the state are very similar to the relationship between the Catholic Church and the State in medieval times. They are both separate spheres of power that control people's lives and that always don't necessarily coincide in their ideas about doing so. Thus corporations try to control the government and the government tries to control corporations and they are sometimes at each other's throats, at other times they are the best of buddies. Nothing new under the sun, right?

 

When two people on the forums that I respect disagree so strongly, I feel sad because I am needing respect from both of you. Therefore, I now would like you two to please revise and reread your statement so that we can maybe speak in a more respectful manner.

@Buddha Punk Robot Monk, I'm sure he isn't sharing hate speech, just a strongly disagreeable opinion. I know @Eric'sBlue decently well and from that I have seen his kind heart. I believe we all have strong moral judgements of things and sometimes they can take us to dark places.

I respect both of your opinions and wish only that you please respect each other. This is a request, not a demand. Have a nice day guys

 

Thank you @Sun Bro. You are right. Perhaps non-violent communication is called for here.

@Eric'sBlue, what I hear from you is anger, frustration and loneliness. You feel disenfranchised. You feel like your voice doesn't matter. That your opinions don't matter. You feel that the government and the people in the government are not interested in your welfare. And you need them to be interested. You need to be wanted. You need to be important in some small way, even if only in local government, but you feel like your voice is drowned out by the voiced of corporations and other members of the elite and that your needs are unmet. Would you say this is an accurate assessment of your position, Eric'sBlue?

 

There is more to life than worrying about things beyond your control.

McKenna advised creating your own culture --- your life is yours. The society will tell you you must serve society. This has nothing to do with what is real in the context of your immediate experience.

 

It sounds to me that you have lost respect for the government and feel angry and frustrated because you believe everything to be built upon lies. It also seems to me that you want the government to be more truthful and go about there deeds in a more responsible way. Is this a good interpretation of what is ailing you?

 

This is the only sentence your entire post that I agree with.

 

Eric's Blue I understand what you're saying... There was that good quote, "Create your own culture," and that is what I follow everyday. You can't expect to overthrow a lying, deceitful government, but you can do something for yourself. That is what they would want you to do, waste time and energy complaining about them rather than taking action YOurself to change the world.

Bhudda Monk what is this about the founding fathers talking about separating the USA into separate countries? Where can I find more information about this?

 

The only way we'll take this country back is one thing: states rights. During the Republican debate on September 16 not one candidate didn't say that they were for states rights that's the only way we're going to make out of this.

 

I agree, im not from the U.S. but its easy to diagnose the fall, its not gonna happen in a blink of an eye, its gonna take decades but the gears are in motion, porn, drugs, alcohol, violence, this added to the fact that the nation's cohesion is being uprooted by people from other countries settling in, the result of this equation is already the end of the U.S., it cant be stopped, its a bomb it already went off.

 

Yes I know it's really sad to see this after 400+ years of this country standing it's all coming to an end and were going to experience the most nastiest tyranny this world has ever seen and it's all downhill from here.

 

Quick historical correction: the United States of America has been existence for less than 250 years.

 

You've gone off on various "rants" (as you termed it) but I think your worldview suffers from the rather huge flaw that you are willing to ignore a preponderance of evidence that contradicts your statements and are only willing to see what confirms it (confirmation bias). I posted amply in one of your "rant" threads but you didn't respond to any of the comments; I assume that you simply ignored them. This is much like becoming convinced that you have metastatic brain cancer and MS when you search for what the causes of a headache might be on the Internet. Even if the information that you feel is "accurate" is as convoluted as it is unrealistic. Which is more likely - any one of the conspiracies you've mentioned in this thread, or something a bit simpler? Let me go back to the metastatic brain cancer theory. You have a headache. Which is more likely: that you have brain cancer, or you don't?

Unfortunately if you truly "believe" something seeing evidence to the contrary is only likely to harden your opinion; in fact, you may purposefully seek out information that confirms it. The fact you feel that things are so bad you need to resort to violence is concerning, to say the least.

 

@swimbikerun - How about you actually show where he is wrong instead of attacking his character by claiming he is delusional and didn't respond in the past. That is called "ad hominem" if you like the technical terms.

 

"Delusional" is your word, not mine. Saying someone did not rebut my points is not an ad hominem attack. Neither is making an observation that Eric'sBlue chooses to accept the infinitely more complex, elaborate sequence of events (i.e. global cabal, illuminati conspiracy, Zionist plot hypothesis) instead the explanation which is simpler (i.e. economics, politics).

There is a philosophical device known as "Ockham's Razor" which says "do not posit plurality without necessity." Philosophically what this means is that to explain reality you shouldn't need to use more entities than is needed (i.e. to explain the color blue, you can either say that the object reflects blue wavelengths of light, or you say say that there is actually a substance called "blue" in the universe and the object is somehow imbued with that substance, although we can't see, weigh, or measure it). What this has been turned into colloquially is to say that in essence that the "simplest theory is the one that is most likely true."

 

If you are going to be the judge, jury, and executioner of what is "substantial," I don't think that there is any use in discussing this extensively with you, because your posts suffer from a lot of confirmation bias. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and your claims in the OP of this thread are extraordinary by any means. The burden of proof is on you. The idea that there is some kind of global conspiracy of politicians, corporations, bankers, and Jews - to do ultimately what, you're very unclear - is a claim for which you cannot provide any more evidence than "I've noticed it" and "so have other people." What you're suggesting is that leadership of all the major corporations in the world, upper management of investment banks and commercial banks, the corporate boards of these organizations, major stockholders and bondholders, independently wealthy and nouveau riche, politicians, and all of the staff and support persons (legal, regulatory, etc.) involved with these people are somehow embroiled in a "master plan." The sheer coordination that would be required to pull off this kind of conspiracy and keep anybody from breaking ranks baffles the mind. Unless you're going to say that the entire government and the media is also "in" on the conspiracy. The trouble with this kind of thinking is that it balloons very quickly, and before you know, you're not just talking a few dozen people, you are talking more than a few million; and almost by default, the narrative collapses on itself. It suffers from the flaw of overcomplexity that I mentioned in the previous post.

I suspect this won't meet your "substantial" evidence requirement, but I'm pretty sure that posting any kind of peer-reviewed study would just fit me in with the "ivory tower" charge from earlier. You are not willing to engage or challenge the basic tenets of your theories, which is unfortunate. Because that precludes any substantive discussion of them.