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Porn blockers and the demise of self-discipline/freedom

Discussion in 'Off-topic Discussion' started by Mark, Feb 9, 2014.

  1. Mark

    Mark Distinguished Fapstronaut

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    Does it still surprise anybody that those on 'moral' crusades are the worst of the f*****g lot?!?!...

    http://reason.com/archives/2008/03/11/spitzers-hypocrisy-worse-than

    And its people like this who are kindly providing us with the very same porn blockers that are also preventing us from finding out what is REALLY going on in the world. How very f*****g convenient!!...

    http://www.activistpost.com/2013/07/uk-internet-porn-censor-to-also-block.html?m=1

    So why aren't they blocking Fox, CNN, ITN because I've heard some pretty wacky 'theories' about what's 'really' happening in the world on them!

    Its time we showed some balls guys and stoped allowing ourselves to be nannied (whatever!) by the same murderous hypocrites who are colluding to rob you blind of every last ounce of freedom you've got left for their own personal power/control/gain!

    Yes porn blockers undoubtedly have their place and this thread is simply to raise awareness of the fact they are also being used as a 'political' tool (a SIGNIFICANT issue!) and to invite open minded discussion etc...
     
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  2. Mark

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    I hear what your saying and its so difficult when politicians etc use and abuse their positions of trust (we wont even go there with what goes on with kids apart from saying that Jimmy Saville was the 'doorman to the cesspit' which has been and continues to be protected by paedophiles in shockingly prominent positions of 'power'- and yes I truly do believe that) for their own peronal/collective agendas etc

    And I really do appreciate how all this can look really far fetched sometimes but it really isnt the more you consider just how covertly intertwined and 'cliquey' everything really is (and has been for a very lomg time)

    Theres probably some perfectly honourable pornblockers out there but the whole possibility of them being used to block sites that go against the 'official line' thing is a great example of what David Icke dubbed problem-reaction-solution about 20 years ago (and despite all the ridicule he got/gets the general theme he has beem exposing has continued to unfold almost to the letter)

    Problem = those with a ready made covert 'solution' create/proliferate a problem (eg 911, porn 'saturation' etc) that will justify them implementing a 'solution' that forwards their covert agenda

    Reaction = public outcry "this is ridiculous! What are you our leaders going to do to protect us (and our children) from this?" (eg terrorism, kids exposed to porn etc)

    Solution = implementation of the "solution" by the people who covertly created the 'problem' in the first place (eg 'liberation'(invasion) of middle east, introducing porn blockers that also block free speech)

    This is an old political tool that works every time because it relies on basic human decency and trust which is then used and abused literally beyond belief whilst the average decent 'law abiding' citizen is easily pacified and kept busy/occupied by the weapon of mass distraction we call the media (and general modern nose to the grind 'got to keep up with the jones's' lifestyle etc).

    Check it out. The next time the government (or whatever) announce theres a 'problem' that demands a public 'reaction' they almost always have the 'solution' conveniently worked out (if I remember correctly there were troops ALREADY on the way to Afghanistan BEFORE 911 had even happened but thats just one example of what we are told are 'coincidences' etc)

    I might just be really cynical, or I might just be paying attention?;)
     
  3. CrazyGopher

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    We had some discussions on the UK "porn filters" over on the YBR forum last year. My personal view is that there are many risks associated with this kind of filtering, and it's very difficult trying to educate people about those risks.

    At the same time, it's totally not cool that kids can access P online. I mean, I started at 10 years old for Christ's sake. So, something probably has to be done, regardless of the risks.
     
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  4. Not to steer it too off-topic, but do you guys see porn blockers as a weakener of your willpower muscle (figuratively)? I use porn blockers as a way to block the impulse of watching porn, but I think it's also "training wheels" to actually achieving self-control (like I always have the blockers as a net to fall back on).

    Totally agree. I've been reading the Dune saga by Frank Herbert, and his penetrating insights at the cyclical nature of human societies continue to blow my mind 4 books in.

    I guess one of the biggest flaws is the human attachment to absolutes. The belief that America will live forever, the belief in any religion, etc. all of these things stem from an attachment to absolute beliefs that rise from assumptions which are not questioned. The reality is that there are no absolutes and this universe is constantly changing.

    Even morality has changed. No religion today is the same as it was at its inception (IE slavery condoned in all the Abrahamic religions), yet no believer dares follow this line of thinking to its inevitable conclusion. Likewise, no civilization has lasted forever. People believe in capitalism like it's an absolute, not realizing they are using the same thinking religious zealots ascribe to scripture to the hypotheses of a mortal primate (Adam Smith among many others).

    All civilizations have been experiments at preserving the species because I think that's an undercurrent inherent in the human psyche. Unfortunately we have yet to achieve a society that favors the long-term survival of the people as a whole over the short-term impulses of the few.
     
  5. Mark

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    @crazyGopher...is good to know other people been discussing this. Is also not at all surprising that very few were interested! Erich Fromm once wrote a brilliant book called 'Escape from Freedom' which is a great title considering freedom is what you would expect most people hope to achieve from escape?!?! But his premise is that with (real) freedom comes responsibility but people are so uttely (and for the main part blissfully unaware) conditioned to give our power away to a democratically (pre)'selected' cabal that even when you present them with undeniable evidence that they are being shafted beyond their wildest dreams their cognitive dissonance is so entrenched that their automatic reaction is either to ignore it or resort to glib media 'induced' mockery. And besides they would much rather believe a good lie than face the consequence of knowing the truth, especially when that consequence is the massive responsibility of 'genuine' freedom!

    @Anon Hymous...totally with you mate. Also it really pisses me off that porn blockers are a really useful tool to many people attempting to move beyond porn etc. Not because they help but because SOME of them are being used to block freedom of speech at I time when it has bever been more vital to be aware of whats really going on behind closed 'political' doors. And just to clarify I didnt start this thread to call for non use or the all out ridicule of porn blockers but just to raise awareness of some extremely valid issues concerning some of them. Which ones? I really dont know? So any info on this would be good if anyone knows? The bottom line is (for me at least) that whenever any government attempts to make ANYTHING at all mandatory the first and foremost thought in our minds must always be 'what do they have to gain from the imposition' of this? And we must never allow ourselves to forget that they work for US and never the other way around and so we have a DUTY to question them regarding anything and everything (and I DO NOT mean duty in the 'call of duty' sense because unquestioningly obeying orders is surely the absolute opposite!!)

    @Kosh32...I guess we all need a little help sometimes and back to what I said above theres nothing wrong with being helped as long as we are aware of the potential/reality of any hidden agendas and then at the very least we can make an informed choice? Theres even a good argument to be made for using them as training wheels (which is an excellent analogy!) but yes lets not make them a crutch, especially those of us not afraid of the responsibilities that arise with genuine freedom. And I love your observations about our collective 'addiction' to absolutes which we see religions/politicians create and fuel all the time and change (the only thing we can truly rely on?) has been made synonymous with fear/bad with the exception of when it is being used as an enticement to sell us something new- and better car, a new 'president' or even a one world government because the old way clearly isn't working so cue a 'new world order' where the 'order' of things will VERY MUCH be weighed in the favour of a very few!! Problem-reaction-solution? Absolutely!!
     
  6. garcia203

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    Im feeling temptation ! HELP! I need some advice! what should i do!?
     
  7. Kenworth_95

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    So are you guys saying that Porn blockers are okay for a limited time?
    When I use them I kind of feel weak, I feel that I should not have them on, that way I could become stronger.

    Anon do you recommend having one one for a while, and my willpower will increase for the better?

    Oh yeah and fuck the New World Order! I'm not an Anon but I support Anonymous and I know what the hell is going on in this world. ;)
     
  8. Mark

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    Hi mate, I guess the main point of this thread was (or has become) to emphasise real freedom, awareness, and informed choice and so ultimately it wouldn be right to say what people should and shouldn't do. I went from looking at porn most days to not at all with no porn blockers but for various personal reasons (amount of usage, level of addiction, personal preferences etc) many do use them either long or short term.

    I guess the nature of this site is to bring many people from different backgrounds with similar aims to help and be helped by each other by sharing information/tips/stories/advice etc and develop a collective body of 'wisdom' to support each other and future members in successfully moving beyond unwanted behaviours as effectively and permanently as possible. Yes there are some very different ideas and approaches here but I believe the general feeling of mutually beneficial respect and cooperation are second to none on this site and if ever we speak our truth it is hopefully in the spirit of sharing rather than imposing however personal/subjective some comments are going to be by their very nature bearing in mind the context/subject matter (and the subject matter will be broader for some and narrower for others for different and personal reasons/choices etc)

    So I guess people interested should just take the information in this thread as they find it and make an informed choice based on what they truly believe is right for them and I know its tempting and even natural to just want advice sometimes (especially when we're finding things difficult) and we've all been there but like I said before (and will be again) ultimately this is about raising awareness to enable each and every one of us to make 'informed' decisions about what we believe is right for ourselves (and to share information in a spirit of mutually beneficial cooperation rather than impose)

    So I guess some interesting questions might be...

    1) Are there some porn blockers that block other information and some that dont and how would we know the difference?

    2) If we do decide to use them how do we intend to use them (duration etc)?

    3) How do we feel about our 'leaders' making them mandatory whilst also using them to block information that they are desperate to remove from circulation whilst asking ourselves WHAT exactly their PRIMARY (or only?) motivation for 'imposing' porn blockers actually is? To protect the public from porn or to protect themselves from the people they are 'elected' to serve by blocking information that would reveal the true nature of 'democracy', the aspects that are otherwise 'managed' perfectly well by mainstream media/propaganda etc?

    There may well be other questions but thats a start? :)
     
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  9. Mark

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    Right on brother!!:eek:
     
  10. aron

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    I must chip in the discussion because I want to share something relevant. If governments want to block access of the population to certain websites, there are other more effective ways to do it. For example, the could block it at the ISP (internet service provider) level. They could pressure, and it wouldn't require a lot of pressure, to ask ISP to block certain domains. This is openly being done in China and Australia. Another way to do it, and which is actually done, is that the RIAA and MPAA, music and audio associations in US, demand google to not show links to places that allow illegal access to download copyrighted material. This sounds good in theory, but the lists are so long that sometimes legitimate sites get added and gets blocked. And it wouldn't take a lot of pressure from US gov to put certain sites on those lists. The third way, less pervasive, is that when you search for an information on google, they will return results that are consistent to your previous expressed opinions and attitudes.

    I do think that some websites might be filtered with the use of a parental control software (software to control the parents?) but it would be naive to become paranoid because of that. We are already being controlled, in so many ways.
     
  11. Mark

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    Hi aron, good points and shocking to hear they are already doing that in Australia/China etc. Yes it would be naive to get paranoid over genuine parental control measures- although as a parent I would never and have never use them as I dont believe in censorship of any kind (because where does it end?) and in all honesty I discuss all this kind of stuff with my kids who are very well balanced and all already making incredibly wise/informed choices for their age (my eldest visits/reads posts on this site and has already made his own decision never to use porn whilst also discovering sexual energy transmutation/meditation etc) - but it might also be naive to equate heightened awareness with 'paranoia' which is all too often a convenient 'umbrella' (like the term conspiracy theories) to lump some really important information/awareness with 'red herrings' etc and throw the baby out with the bathwater but I hear what your saying :eek:
     
  12. HiFlyerPeter

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    It never ends with governments. Here in the U.S.A. it all ended after 9/11. We had the "PATRIOT" act, then universal airport security (many small airports didn't have it before), then a newly-created bureaucracy whose sole purpose is domestic espionage, then that same agency says that in order to fly you have to let us feel you up, then we don't have to get felt up as long as we walk through a machine that allows them to see us naked, etc. I mean no disrespect to the victims of those heinous attacks, but our society is being ruined as a result. I don't have kids yet and quite frankly I wonder if I even want to with the way the world is going. The problem is that we take freedom for granted today, which makes it that much easier for governments to whittle away at it.

    "Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean there isn't someone hiding under your bed."
     

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