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I mean, is porn really thaaaat bad?

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by gzoztra, Jul 25, 2019.

  1. gzoztra

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    hi, I was just wondering if porn and masturbation were really that bad.

    I mean, it is normal, everybody, men and women, masturbate, and if it's being done with the consent of your parther it's not cheating .

    My wife and I sometimes masturbate to photos of naked men together, and I have to say it does spice up our sex life.

    she's ok with me fapping to gay porn, or imagining other men, and she knows I do it, and she's totally okay about it.
    She says she masturbates as well once or twice a month, "but I only think about you".

    My problem is that I do sometimes (ok, let's be honest, most of the time) look at girls without her knowing, and I spend hours in Omegle every day, cybersexing with other guys, and that habit has completely ruined my life.
    I can't hold jobs because of it and my productivity in the past 20 years has been rubbish because of it, not to mention that chatting, even if it's with men, she does consider as cheating.

    If I were only fapping to photos of men, finishing it off in 5, 10 minutes and go on with my day (instead of 3, 4 hours cybersex/browsing through million different videos of girls in Pornhub) - is it really that bad?

    I mean, my problem is not the concept of porn itself nor fapping, it's the hours I put in it, and me lie to her and I do look at girls.

    What are your thoughts about it?
     
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  2. Ranvanp

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    Denial is not a river in Africa. It is up to you to decide if something that has 'completely ruined your life' is really thaaaat bad.
     
  3. gzoztra

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    don't over simplify it, it's not "all or nothing". nothing really is.
     
  4. Lilla_My

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    But you are cheating.

    So you are ruining your life.

    Someone needs to simplify it for you.

    You have all your answers but you refuse to acknowledge them, and until you do, nothing will get better.
     
  5. Dude! You literally have just stated you can’t hold down jobs because of it, spend hours online cyber sexing and browsing porn, your talking to men online... dude are you trolling or what man? Porn definitely has had an impact on yourself and many of us even myself man I’m not just sitting here pointing fingers at you but if you’re not trolling dude honestly everything you have wrote here is definitely because of porn.
     
  6. gzoztra

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    1. I know I've been cheating by watching porn, and I do want to put an end to it, and that's why I'm here.
    I wasn't talking about my case, rather as porn as a concept, that it can be a non cheating thing, as long as it's with the partner's consent.
    In my relationship with my wife, looking at men is not considered by her to be cheating, for example.
    So morally speaking? As long as I stick to gay porn, I'm not cheating on her.

    2. I am ruining my life. that's why I'm here. to change it.
    but as I said before, it's not the porn nor the fapping - it's the hours upon hours I waste on this harmful habit.
    If I could only do it 5, 10 minutes a day, my life could be much much better, with exta 3, 4 hours every day and less pain in my private parts.

    Not fapping *at all* seems to me like something I can't keep more than a week, and I will break down back to cybersex eventually if I hold myself too much.
     
  7. Lilla_My

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    1. It's not cheating if it's with a partners consent. You and your partner decide for yourselves what is ok within your relationship.
    2. Problem is, porn is a habit of escalation. The porn that arouse you today will not arouse you tomorrow. The brain is not built that way. Most people that view extremely graphic, violent or even illegal stuff had no interest in that from the beginning and it's important to remember that. You have already experienced the escalation for yourself.
     
  8. gzoztra

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    this escalation is what I'm afraid of, but I don't think I'm strong enough not to do it *at all*
     
  9. Lilla_My

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    Are you strong enough to loose your partner? Are you strong enough to see her marry another man? Are you strong enough to live without a potential family, maybe without an income? Are you strong enough to face the disappointment of your parents when they find out?

    The escalation is inevitable due to loss of dopamine receptors. The risk of you experience sexual dysfunction sooner or later is enormously large. But we all decide what's worth it for us. It feels like you need to hit rock bottom before you want to change your ways.
     
  10. L1ttl

    L1ttl Fapstronaut

    Don't forget we lie to ourselves best of all. Stop compromising and cut it off your life.
     
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  11. AtomicTango

    AtomicTango Fapstronaut

    Is porn really that bad?

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    Thats the end of my talk, thanks for listening.
     
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  12. ultrafabber

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    Porn and masturbation are, especially to gay stuff. You need to stop that and wake up
     
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  13. miXhal

    miXhal Fapstronaut

    Man, sorry, but are you aware how ridiculous does this exact statement sound?
     
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  14. The correct amount of P, P-subs, M, sexual ideation, and O apart from your partner is zero. But it's a process. You don't get there in one big leap. I've been working on recovery actively for over six years, and it's only in the past three months that I have managed to finally completely eliminate P-subs and sexual thinking.

    My recommendation would be to cut out the P first. Eliminate it ruthlessly. It is the poison. Then, once you have a firm handle on that, start getting rid of MO, too. Tackle things one step at a time with a firm resolve and community support. Be faithful to your partner in mind and body. Take fidelity to a new level and encourage your SO to do the same.

    I am cheering you on! You *can* do this! I know -- because I did it, and I'm just completely normal and average. :)
     
  15. gzoztra

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    it's not just the porn, it's everywhere.
    you log into Facebook, and you get all those beautiful girls with their profile photos from their last vacation on the beach...
     
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  16. gzoztra

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    cheating is doing something unfaithful behind your partner's back that would hurt him or her.

    if she knows and cool with it, it's not cheating.
    The same goes for open marriage, threesomes, polyamory, roleplaying etc', but it has nothing to do with the topic, so I will leave it.
     
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  17. These are all P-subs. This is why discipline -- mental and otherwise -- is a required skill for long-term recovery.

    For example, FB. If it is a source of unhelpful imagery, then stay away from it. That is a conscious choice that is under your control. Browse with images turned off by default to avoid triggering content. Install accountability software and flag FB as something to alert your APs whenever you go on it. There are many options to address the things that trip us up. The main limiting factor is our desire to choose differently.
     
  18. gzoztra

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    I moved a few years ago to another country, and FB is my only way to still have human touch, as I don't have any real close friends here
     
  19. You have made no friends in a few years? Perhaps the issue is *too much* time on FB! :)

    There are always excuses we can make. Recovery has a cost associated with it. You will not recover if you are not willing to pay that price. The longer you delay in doing so, the higher the price becomes. The choice of what to do is yours, each day, each decision.
     
  20. gzoztra

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    I live in Germany. the unfriendliest nation on earth, lol :p
     

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