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Question about NOFAP without P, but still M and O

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by johnnybgoode, Jun 19, 2019.

  1. johnnybgoode

    johnnybgoode Fapstronaut

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    Hey guys,
    two days ago I decided to stay way from porn, because I realised how much it messes up my life, especially with the fetish I developed over the years..
    In the first place I was thinking about just staying away from porn, but since I see most people doing PM, or even PMO, I'm wondering:
    What are the advantages to also stay away from mastrubation? Or even a orgasm?
    Last two days since I didn't watch anything, I didn't have a boner anyway.
    Since I often feel pretty bad and then want to "reward" myself, I was thinking to still mastrubate, but could resist for now. I'm kinda scared the more I realise how much I need these pictures to get aroused..
    I'm very thankful for your opinion and experience. Thanks.
     
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  2. Masturbating leads many right back into the same rut they were in before. Also you can lose sensitivity and function from too much masturbating alone.
     
  3. T-72 M4

    T-72 M4 Fapstronaut

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    It depends on your attitude, because you can simply try to replace porn by masturbtion only.
    If not, it might be a tool, for tuning down your urges, in critical moments.

    It's difficult because everything depends on your actions.
     
  4. ReclaimedLife

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    I never had problems when i started with this just to M without using any Porn.

    But i see the point, i was very vulnerable to visualization and that is the same, actually. You reward yourself with physical pleasure and an orgasm without a woman being present.
    I switched to no pmo after getting rid of porn and no pmo actually feels tthe most "natural" to me.
     
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  5. johnnybgoode

    johnnybgoode Fapstronaut

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    Yes, even though im just on Day 4, I realised how often during the day, basically every time I feel bad or have certain thoughts, my old habit was to PMO, and just MO would be kind of the same for me, so I want to stop the mechanism and set my goal to 90days without PMO.

    Thanks for your post.
     
  6. Hey, what many here don't consider is that rebooting is supposed to reboot. So in this reboot time you should stay away from MO aswell, as this helps you healing/normalizing faster. You will not stay in a reboot your whole life, else it would not be a reboot.

    So until you are down on a healthy level I would suggest to do a no MO aswell. For maybe quit some time. I often relapse currently at ~10days, but I only MO as I don't think that's too bad. Try to discover if you really want to MO or you have another motivation (sadness, boredom,...).

    Good luck ;)
     
  7. And what I want to say aswell: One time of MO is not a relapse, it is a reset! A relapse would be if you sink into your addiction strongly, but one time is a reset. This should not encourage you to easier do it, but build you up if one day you couldn't resist anymore. Important is that you get a similar or longer streak after that one time mistake.

    And here is a cool post, have you seen it? https://www.nofap.com/forum/index.php?threads/90-day-timeline-of-withdrawal-symptons.142561/
     
  8. Rebooter45674

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    Great link man...
    I suffered from depression in my last long streak and I did not realised it that time. Somewhere after 30 days... I started to think about bad experiences in my life such as bullying... a very negative selfview ... During that time I remember Crying for no reason all eg I would think about old people and how they may feel when families kind of grew distant to them, how they do not fit into the changed world or thinking anything, becoming overtly emotional ... Becoming overtly guilty eg to have watched certain genre of extreme Porn...all my actions now I realize were focused upon Guilt trapping myself... Kind of replaced feeling guilty with watching porn...
    All this lead to development of a New Fetish especially Guilt when I relapsed.... I went to Humilation stuff ....

    Had I been prepared for Depression, I would have beaten the monster that time..

    I was introduced to porn at 9or 10 and with the advent of technology... Especially from age 13 to age 15 ... I was watching Porn or related stuff everyday....
    Then after that 15 to 21 ... I watched it less frequently but more like a maniac whenever....sometimes for 6 to 10 hours straight...and it was the period where escalation started... Sometime after my relapse... There came a time when I convinced myself that Porn is normal... Fetishes are great ...and I am "normal"...came out of that when I kind of technically (because the Place where I did was empty and It was night but there Are lot of houses around...and I donot know if someone saw me...) masturbated publically because a JOI video said to do so and In that video.... She was also saying that it will crush You.. And thats what happened...

    I know its our actions that have put us to Porn...But beating yourself too much can be disastrous...Taking responsibility for your actions is great but guilt Trapping yourself is the worst...
    Taking responsibility... Makes you move forward... Guilt trapping... Draws you back hundred times backward...
     
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  9. ZenAF

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    I don't recommend the whole reboot game, because unless you're the type of person that responds very well to rules, you're most likely going to have ups and downs. Relapses, self-realisations, lots of arousal, no arousal and fear that it's gone, etc etc. Unpredictability.

    Here are two strong facts that might help you decide:
    1.From the viewpoint of a urologist you need to use your penis often if you want it to work well for as long as possible. If you don't use it, it deteriorates. Using it often obviously doesn't mean overuse it, nobody needs to give you numbers, you have a feeling for when enough is enough.
    2.We are creatures of habit. We use habit to conserve energy. A "reboot" isn't a pattern of habit, because you don't plan to do it forever. Your body however organizes itself for the long run: after just 30-40 days of no masturbation (regardless whether you use porn or not) and no sex, your libido will already have changed. It will have become less. Why? Because you taught your body that it doesn't need to pump all that energy into your libido, because you ain't using it anyway. People call that "flatlining".
    Some people claim to get "superpowers" through that process, high attraction of females, high confidence, high energy, etc. All things that can be attributed to the simple fact that they've noticed that they can charge of their lives. For somebody who's already used to that probably doesn't notice any of these effects.
    The point is this: Your sexual desire, your libido, your habits, your current state of affairs, they're all interlocked in a complex clusterfuck and once you start abstaining from self-pleasure there's really no prediction of what's going to happen to you. You can choose to go down that rabbithole by "rebooting" or you can do what I do: Act out the habits right now that you want to have for the rest of your life. You don't want to watch porn for the rest of your life? Stop doing it. You're cool with masturbation sometimes? Masturbate sometimes. You want to have lots of sex with your girl? Have a lot of sex and when you can't, jerk off.

    That way you keep it simple, you don't confuse your body or your mind with programs where neither you nor any of the forum members can tell you whether it's going to get you closer to who you want to be in life.
     

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