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What do you class as porn?

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by skaterdrew, Jun 15, 2019.

  1. skaterdrew

    skaterdrew Fapstronaut

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    If you asked the vast majority of people in a survey what is porn, most people would probably say pornographic movies. Where as the reality is anything artificial your looking at on a screen, magazine ext could be classed as porn. For instance you could watch one single porn scene on a dvd one night, and another night you could search hundreds of images of hotties on social media. You might actually find that the novelty of searching hundreds of these images is actually more sexually stimulating than that one porn scene. So in this case the thing that is categorised as porn content might actually be less sexually stimulating than the things that are not classed as porn content. It's mainly the novelty that is the problem, the constant seeking, searching and getting new arousing content instantly. Pornographic movies will overall be more sexually stimulating than a few social media images of hotties, but the thing is people aren't searching and looking at one thing, they're probably searching and looking at hundreds of things, multiple tabs open flicking back and forth between them all.

    It's also not so much what your looking at that's the problem, it's the behaviour. For instance if you randomly seen an attractive woman on tv and thought oh I'd love to have sex with her, that is actually fine. But if you started searching other tv channels looking for women for an erotic buzz, searching online for images videos for attractive women for an erotic buzz that is not fine. It's the behaviour, the deliberately searching and seeking for that erotic buzz that is the problem. For instance seeing a billboard with a hot woman on it and thinking oh no I have seen porn is ludicrous.

    It's the behaviour we need to change. We need to stop seeking out artificial stimuli for an erotic buzz. But that doesn't mean we can't ever see attractive women on a screen. We just simply never deliberately seek it for an erotic buzz.
     
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  2. ultrafabber

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    Very good write-up and i agree 100%, it's the seeking of erotic buzz that is the problem. But you left out sexual fantasizing, which is erotic buzz on demand. Sexual fantasizing is by far the most insidious part of this addiction and technically all of pornography is just a subset of sexual fantasizing as you "create" your object of sexual desire.

    Sexual fantasizing can happen anywhere and it's really just mental porn. I could for example construct elaborate and vivid sex fantasies in my head and i could stay in those fantasies even for hours if i really wanted to.

    Sexual fantasies need to end as well.
     
  3. skaterdrew

    skaterdrew Fapstronaut

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    I think we might of somewhat disagreed on the same issue on a different post. Masturbation and sexual fantasies have happened in men longer then anyone alive today could guess. Yet it was only since the 2000's but particularly in 2006 sexual dysfunction started being reported at an alarming rate in young men. If masturbation and sexual fantasy has happened for over 100 years, then why has it only started being reported in young healthy men for at most the last 20 years?

    I think if someone is constantly masturbating having sexual fantasies about porn then yes this definitely isn't good. But it's no where near on the same level as masturbating deliberately searching and watching porn and artificial sexual stimulation. The occasional wank imagining your having sex with a woman you know (realistic fantasy) would cause little or no harm. But I do agree with you to some extent, sitting about masturbating for hours on end imagining all sorts of kinky shit isn't good either. But how many guys actually want to do that anyway? Essentially what it sounds like you were doing is you stopped watching porn but were still masturbating, binging watching it in your mind.
     
  4. ultrafabber

    ultrafabber Fapstronaut

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    Maybe, i don't remember.

    There is no proof that sexual fantasies have happened or that masturbation was common. Just because some people wrote about it, it doesn't mean it was normal or common. More so, masturbation has been historically frowned upon in most civilizations, independent of religion or lack of religion.

    Most people can't fantasize without some type of aid. The less you masturbate and fantasize the less you can actually fantasize and masturbate, it's a skill you're quickly losing. The rates of sexual dysfunction have gone through the roof in last decades because of the availability of erotic material that allows for more fantasy and masturbation.

    Yes, masturbation to porn is worse because it allows for more sexual scenarios, but that type of stimulation is still a sexual fantasy. It's not just masturbation that is the problem but being in a state of sexual arousal. Many people had long streaks of not masturbating but they still watched porn or browsed instagram for 20+ minutes with an erection. It's this state of sexual arousal with no real object that creates the problems.

    Obviously masturbating to porn or just watching porn will be more damaging because it generates more arousal and it can sustain the arousal for longer but that doesn't take away from the fact that sexual fantasizing can do that as well but to a lesser degree.

    There is no such thing as realistic fantasy, all fantasies are inherently unrealistic because the object is not near you and you're not really performing the act. So a fantasy of your favorite p-star or your hot neighbor next door are both equally unrealistic because you have neither the p-star nor the hot neighbor next to you. Just because one is more likely than the other makes no difference. It's like i'd imagine driving a McLaren or a Renault when i'm in bed - yes, it's more likely i'll get to drive the Renault at some point, but at the time of the imagination i am not driving a car, i'm imagining driving a car.

    In the later stages i wasn't even masturbating, i was just keeping myself sexually aroused for hours if i wanted to.
     
  5. Yes, pornography abuse is the problem, not pornography itself.

    If one is with a beautiful woman and you enjoys seeing her figure, that is a normal behaviour.
    If however one stalks females to get a high from watching them on and on - that is abuse of the same mechanism. Sadly this actually happens - not even a metaphor

    It would be absurd to say that its women's fault.
     
  6. skaterdrew

    skaterdrew Fapstronaut

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    Well I masturbated and had sexual fantasies for I'd say around 7 years before I had ever seen porn. Yet after I got my first laptop when I was 18 a few years later I began experience sexual dysfunction like PIED. If you speak to older guys in their 40's and 50's they will tell you they masturbated growing up.

    I do agree with you though that men maybe didn't masturbate anywhere near as frequently before high speed internet. But high speed internet has caused men to masturbate much more frequently.
     
  7. Just as you said, it's not so much a matter of if something does or doesn't qualify porn as it is how you're using it, and what mindset you have about it. With the right mindset, basically anything could be porn in some form. Let's say you exclusively used underwear ads as your porn. Does that mean it technically is porn? No. But if you're using it as porn, then for you it becomes porn.
     

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