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When does the roller coaster emotion end

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by BigOne79, Feb 19, 2019.

  1. BigOne79

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    I have one great day and then the next one is okay and then the third one just doesn’t feel as good.

    I know everybody is differnnet but are we supposed to start getting more better days further along and less worse days. I feel it is getting better but wish the better days would stick around more.

    I think if I slept more at night this would not be a problem at all for me. I know a lot of people have spoke about sleep being the biggest remedy for most of the symptoms we have so I will have to try and work on that as well.

    Does anybody have suggestions for good meditation videos for sleep or anxiety. Would be happy to try any suggestions from other people.
     
  2. soulrebel

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    For meditation videos I would recommend to meditate to binarual beats for like 15-20 mins. And as for the hard days you gotta understand that for us porn was an escape and a thing that we would use to not feel what ever it is we are feeling before using. Now that you've removed it you have no where to run too. Stay still. Feel it. Through pain is where we get strength. There's no other way around it. Keep your head up and know that it will get better you just have to be patient
     
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  3. Ezpz

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    I suffer from these symptoms too, though i get maybe 4 or 5 good days per month and the rest pretty miserable.

    For sleep i would highly suggest no screens and no audio at least 2 hours before bed. This has helped me tremendously. I mainly just do my best to relax during this time, reading a book helps me where i get bored.

    I know it is tough but keep going. For me it gives me hope when i see others getting to the other side.
     
  4. BigOne79

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    Thank you for the tips on the binaural beats. I have seen those videos so I will do my best to make use of those. Yeah, I have to do my best to feel what it was I was trying to escape as well which you are right.

    I hope your streak is going good as well. I guess these next few months are going to be really tough then.
     
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  5. BigOne79

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    Thanks I should know better but I do sometimes use screens just for news and stuff like that. The PIED symptoms is all that I am just trying to shed at this moment. Hopefully with exercise here and more meditation it will resolve itself.

    Anything you have done for PIED symptoms you may have had...
     
  6. I would stay away from meditation cause that alone can be dangerous for some people(google if curious why), if you ask me it is time wasting just like pmo, an other way to send your mind in trance and escape reality. Sure, it feels good, but who said pmo did not? Run away from binarual beats too, cause they can induce trance, and the other problem on youtube you will find some binarual beats that you will not be able to resist maybe, and i promise you they will fck you up more. I do not want to give you suggestion, but for this reason i do not suggest to search for meditation videos on youtube. There are wicked people who upload a ton of bad things there.

    What helps for me:
    1. going in bed same time
    2.wearing uvex blue light blocking glasses 3-4 hours before going in bed
    3.avoid screens 2-3 hours before bed, instead reading aloud
    4. 10 minutes head and face massage
     
  7. BigOne79

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    Your the first one that has actually responded about meditation that way. I feel the breathing is the best. You are right you never know what is being uploaded on YouTube and if it is safe to listen too.

    Going to bed the same time is my problem and I would be further along
     
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  8. I was like others before "meditation so awesome, it good for everything etc.!", but then I got to know the bad effects from meditation. Meanwhile I think those people who suggest meditation here want to help others, but it not their fault those who started to promote and teach meditation in western culture forgot to tell the bad effects, or they will just say "these are trapped emotions that just surfacing, just keep doing meditation! Meditate for hours, and everything will be so good, trust me".

    Meditation can send people to psychiatry, everyone can decide if they wish to play with that risk, one thing is sure, i will stick instead to exercise, swimming.
     
  9. Fap 5 Freddy

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    What on earth are you talking about?
     
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  10. Pyara31

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    You know searching for good days, they might as well never come. You have to make it a good day yourself, the kind of activities that you do within a day, the thoughts that you carry, these are the things that will determine your good and bad. One thing is for sure if you make the efforts today you will definitely have better days tomorrow. Sure there are some bad days in between where one doesn't feel like doing anything and it's just not your day but still pushing through it will make you feel better at the end of it. Always keep moving forward that's what I want to say, good days or bad ones they will come just know that neither of them will last forever but here lies the beauty of life, you learn a lot of things from those "bad days" rather than good ones. So push yourself in the bad days and enjoy yourself in the good ones.
    As for sleep I would say what has worked for me is that I always sleep at a particular time, or atleast try to. Sleep automatically comes to you soon after or before that time as your brain starts sending signals to your body that it is your rest time. Stop everything that you are watching or doing, say good night to your friends, family and to yourself. That's pretty much about it, More power going ahead. Keep at it.
     
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  11. Fap 5 Freddy

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    Well, if you choose to relate meditation to voodoo, I would guess that you understand very little about either one. If you read the results in those reports they show that sometimes people with psychosis find that meditation can worsen their psychosis symptoms. The Cambridge report is about a single individual with psychotic symptoms. It shows there is a possibility that meditation "may worsen symptoms in vulnerable individuals. However, there are several beneficial effects of meditation in patients with psychosis if practiced with caution." It's not exactly as clear cut as you would like to present it.

    The first paper is also about people with pre-existing psychiatric problems. I would suggest that if this paper can only name a few individuals who this may have occurred with, it actually is an uncommon side effect.

    In other words, if you have very serious mental health issues, hearing disturbing voices, psychosis, etc. lengthy meditation sessions may not be a good practice for you.
     
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  12. Fap 5 Freddy

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    I don't need your patronising comment about noticing quotation marks. Hinduism and Buddhism aren't Voodoo. They are very different belief systems. In making this link you don't show understanding, you show your prejudice. Putting terms in quotation marks doesn't resolve you of the irresponsibility of making ridiculous comparisons.
    You don't have much grasp of mental health issues if you feel that meditation is a serious threat.
    You attached the same report you already included. You haven't read it or just don't understand it. It speaks of a culture-bound syndrome. You should investigate what that refers to. it also mentions it lasts very briefly.

    It mentions one caucausian who had been depressive and had manic episodes. That's not "a previously healthy person". On top of this he had lost a lot of weight and been under work and emotional pressure. His session was unguided and intense. He believed he brought about the end of the world. There is nowhere in the report that says that he was previously healthy. If he had depressive and manic episodes, that would be more than an implication that he wasn't healthy.

    Here's a tip...you don't use terms like "going crazy" and "going insane" if you are going to use psychopathology reports. You will notice that nowhere in the reports do they use that kind of terminology. These terms only work to highlight your fears and shame about mental health issues.
     
  13. Fap 5 Freddy

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    Those people don't need your pity. They need understanding. You don't represent truth. You cherry pick information, and
    No, people who go to the doctor don't get diagnosed with depression unless they show symptoms of depression. If you feel that the medical profession is so unprofessional, why do you use any results from research at all?

    You can highlight what you like the report clearly states that it is "individuals with a history of psychiatric symptoms or with a certain personality structure, and in cases of sleep deprivation or physical exhaustion" who may be vulnerable. It is not healthy people who have to worry about meditation.

    Every one of the examples in the chart you provide shows someone with a history of psychiatric problems, or a diagnosis after a mental health episode. Every one.

    You should be able to understand that because someone doesn't have a psychiatric history that has been previously diagnosed, it doesn't necessarily mean that they haven't got a psychiatric issue. You might not yet have a psychiatric problem diagnosed, but it is present. The report doesn't say that meditation is a problem it says if you have a pre-existing condition it MAY make it worse. That's not very good evidence that meditation caused any problems with these people.

    "In the case reports presented in table 1, states of physical exhaustion were caused by fasting and sleep reduction during long-lasting, unguided and intense meditation, also described as malpractice of meditation"

    You totally overlook the points that fasting, and sleep reduction during "long-lasting" poorly guided meditation as contributing factors.
    In other words, ridiculously long and unhealthy meditation sessions MAY have worsened their existing problems. Don't share research unless you understand how to read and interpret it.
     
  14. BigOne79

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    I hear what your saying man. I appreciate you helping me out as well. You both make good points and when we decide to open up our senses to new experiences we should always be aware of what the source is we are getting it from. I need to look into meditation and it’s history as well and then make my decision. A lot of people say Yoga is bad for its meditative rituals as well. I actually lost crazy weight from that during my stream. The weight probably came off from not PMO anymore.
     
  15. Anonymous86

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    Meditation? Bad? wtf? Yeah, no. Don't start spreading this crazy shit.
     
  16. Fap 5 Freddy

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    I work with people with mental health issues. I also teach people who have lived with mental health issues. I've done this for much of the last 20 years. Mental health issues are a part of our society. People you know will have diagnosed or undiagnosed issues. It doesn't make them "poor people". That is an unhelpful way of looking at and understanding how mental health challenges are part of our society. It reinforces stigma about mental health problems and doesn't show either acceptance or understanding by you. You are making an emotional appeal to pity, and it has nothing to do with the truth or the falseness of whether meditation causes mental health issues. The issues of your deeply felt compassion aren't important to finding out the truth of the matter. It is simply a trick of emotional manipulation instead of trying to assess the facts.

    And yes, there are all kinds of misdiagnoses in medicine. It doesn't mean that in these cases there were misdiagnoses. Your argument seems to be that sometimes there are misdiagnoses, therefore in these cases that you choose and highlight depression was misdiagnosed, and therefore meditation caused the problem. This is a causal fallacy you are making. Actually there are 2 causal fallacies in this presentation of yours. At no point does the research claim that meditation caused the problem. It says it MAY have contributed to it where it already existed. That is pretty ambiguous. I would suggest to you that the research presents uncertainty about whether meditation was a contributing factor to the mental health issues the subjects faced.

    You don't get to say - sometimes doctors make mistakes, and so I believe they made mistakes in the diagnoses of depression in these cases because I believe meditation caused the depression. That's not clear thinking.

    There is a further false assumption you make about the evidence. The idea that they would have had a previous diagnosis of psychosis is your own, it is not part of the evidence in the research.

    Again that is your own false conclusion. It's not a conclusion that the researches arrived at. You have invented this, and you don't have any evidence for it.
     
  17. Fap 5 Freddy

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    Have you heard of Betteridge's law of headlines? It says that any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no.

    The headline of the article you shared with me is

    "MEDITATION IS TOUTED AS A CURE FOR MENTAL INSTABILITY BUT CAN IT ACTUALLY BE BAD FOR YOU?"

    Betteridge's law says the answer to this question is no and if you read the article you would know that it doesn't say meditation is bad for you. It only claims that some people have had adverse reactions to intensive meditation retreats.

    If you choose to meditate for 10 hours a day for several days- It seems reasonable that this will be problematic for some people. If you explore something that extremely, you may have extreme results whatever you explore. Moderation in meditation as in any challenge is advisable.

    You seem to fear both meditation and mental health problems. Meditation is not a threat to you. But it isn't everyone's cup of tea. It's probably not for you, but you don't need to spread unsubstantiated fears about it.
    Mental health issues can be a very serious struggle but they can be faced and overcome. There is a great deal of stigma around mental health issues. Articles like the one you shared don't do anything to dispel the fears people have about mental health problems. They add to the fears and maintain the stigma needlessly. Most people with mental health issues end up harming themselves not others. Most aren't a threat to you or me. But, yes, there are always a few exceptions.
    I don't teach meditation. I do practice it on my own sometimes, very erratically.
    My work is done here, I'm finished explaining my points. I sense you are the sort of person who will feel the need to have the last word. Best wishes.
     
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  18. All those things(meditation, diet, exercise, etc..) y'all talking about are all nonsense. Time is what gonna cure your addiction and your withdrawals symptoms.
     
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  19. I deleted those posts because after reading them again i found myself being arrogant with Fap 5 Freddy, and that never help, sorry brother i did not mean to be like that with you and anyway those were offtopic.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/5991354_Meditation-Induced_Psychosis
    https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...-case-report/29C536ED7AD00D5C0C94F453E66B9D69
    http://meditatinginsafety.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Kuijpers_2007.pdf
    https://psychcentral.com/news/2009/07/30/misdiagnosis-of-depression/7437.html
    https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...-can-it-actually-be-bad-for-you-10268291.html
    http://www.suggestibility.org/index.shtml

    I left the link of sources, so anyone can decide if the risk is worth. Also if someone curious how big this problem, you can use google to find normal people testimony about meditation bad effects too, just seek the truth, if do not believe me.
     
  20. Fap 5 Freddy

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    Hey man, that's fine. We all have opinions and beliefs, and I don't need every one to agree with mine.
     
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