It's not a porn addiction, it's a masturbation/fantasy addiction and hypersexuality

Porn is the red herring in this thing. Is it the most damaging by far? Yes, it is. It is because it bundles up all previous erotica into one thing. In the past, erotica used to be either drawings/paintings, then those got updated to photos. There was also audio erotica which was and still is a thing of it's own. Then there's literotica, which is basically erotic text that creates an erotic scenario. All those things, be it pics, text, audio, gifs etc create an erotic scenario.

Porn is so potent because it's 3 into one. This fuels the imagination/fantasy.

Then there's the masturbation (which is an abnormal and unhealthy act) that adds a 4th dimension to that fantasy. It makes the fantasy "real".

Notice you could for the most part masturbate before you stumbled across porn. Notice you can masturbate to fantasy only. Porn just made it easier and made the fantasies more vivid. There's a very common phenomena in nofap where users (i used to do it too) downgrade from porn to instagram or whatever artificial stimuli. This is another indication that we all crave(d) the same thing - imagination/fantasy material. It's like a heroin addict that switches to methadone or suboxone (technically less harmful than heroin but still very potent drugs).

But fantasy is just mental porn. I can, and i'm pretty sure most of you can recreate very elaborate porn scenarios in your head only, without any material. Even if doesn't involve a pornstar but a real life woman, it's still porn. That woman in your fantasy does not exist. That scenario in your fantasy does not exist. It's porn-on-demand.

Also, you have to treat this addiction as hypersexuality because it is texbook hypersexuality. It's actually an extreme form of hypersexuality. Should you do in real life one tenth of your fantasies/masturbation, you'd still be labeled with hypersexuality.

A masturbation addict has thousands of "partners". A masturbation addict has "sex" extremely often, even more than a full blown sex-addict.

As long as you don't tackle it as a masturbation addiction and hypersexuality, you'll always be playing catch-up.

 

Thank you. Masturbation and sexual fantasizing is the root, so the root needs to be pulled out. Masturbation and sex fantasizing need to stop forever, that is, one rewires himself to reality (real women) and never self-stimulate with masturbation/erotica.

Why do you think it's not?

 

Sadly the whole premise of Nofap in it's current state is a "reboot" and a specific battle against pornography. You can also see that it's founder, Alexander, sadly still thinks masturbation is healthy "in moderation".

So basically the mindset is that Nofap is about a "reboot" and if you go 90 days not using porn yoú should be good to go after and you can keep masturbating "in moderation". And that "masturbation to feeling" or "masturbation to real people" is ok, while at the same time refusing to define what "healhy masturbation" is.

For example Alexander says that one masturbation is ok and not a relapse, but I used to be able to masturbate for 4 hours and just ejaculate once, which by that standard would be perfectly fine. Or I would watch pics of sexy women for hours and not touch myself but still be aroused. Or sexually fantasize for hours but not touching myself. Which are all technicalities where I wasn't "actually relapsing" and not watching porn.

In reality, any type of engaging in sexual fantasy, be it though porn, images, gifs, erotica etc is still firing the same pathways and it's a break from reality. Masturbation does the same thing, no matter how one does it.

 

When one masturbates impulsively, there is hypersexuality. Whether that is related to coolidge effect or something else is another discussion, but hypersexuality is not limited to libido. And technically if one masturbates or has the urge to masturbate a lot of times in a week, the libido is high, be it artificially inflated or not.

 

Fantasy does the same thing porn does. You zone out on fantasy and get your needs met though fantasy instead of actively pursuing them.

Masturbation is not normal or healthy, i'll copy-paste my other reply

There is no proof of that and masturbation is an inherently abnormal behavior so it's not logical to assume it's healthy. 99.9999999% animals don't ever masturbate, the ones that do, do it rarely if ever do it to completion (ejaculation). Out of primates, some species never masturbate and the ones that sometimes do it are in mm-mf systems (promiscuous systems) and humans are not a promiscuous species. In the mm-mf systems the monkeys that masturbate more correlate with lower social rank and fewer if any actual mating.

 

Thank you, this is a perfect example for what i'm trying to say

 

That's a very nice topic you made there, hopefully it will help guide the masturbation camp back to real life.

I use these arguments as training so to speak as I am a therapist myself and it helps me figure out how to talk to clients, how the clients think and why they think in a certain way.

 

This is really sad to read, your bigotry towards christians/republicans is full blown.

You've written a lot of text but no argument for masturbation being a normal behavior.