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Discussion in 'Partner Support' started by HonestyMatters, Aug 22, 2018.

  1. HonestyMatters

    HonestyMatters Fapstronaut

    So it's been about a month since the last D Day.

    As I mentioned in my first post, the first D Day was about 7 years ago and there's been multiple D Days since despite him promising me that he would stop. For the past 3 years I thought he had genuinely stopped. I had monitoring software on his phone and he wasn't using any computers at home unless I was around because they were password protected.

    But it has turned out the past 3 years he was using porn all along - not at home but at work.

    When I first discovered this I kept it to myself for a day and the next morning decided that I would talk to him calmly and ask him how he's going with his abstaining from porn and whether he thinks about it much anymore or gets any urges - to give him an opportunity to be open and honest with me. He said, he was doing really well, doesn't think about it anymore or get any urges. We spoke for a good couple of hours, him feeding me Lie after Lie after Lie. I wanted to see how easily he just lies to me and really analyse if there are any signs that I've missed all these years. Was he behaving differently, did he seem uncomfortable, was he behaving awkwardly, was there any body language that indicated that he was full on lying to me. I couldn't really detect anything. I've come to the conclusion that it's probably because I've never known him any other way. i.e. our entire relationship he's been an addict and he's been lying to me so I've never known the non-addict version or the non-lying version of him so I can't tell the difference. After hours of listening to his Lies....I couldn't take it anymore and exploded at him that he's nothing but a Liar and I know darn well that he's been looking at porn all along but doing it at work and I now know it never stopped. He was paralysed by what I said and eventually admitted that yes he is nothing but a Liar and yes it has still been going on all this time.

    For 2 days we fought and he slept on the lounge. I felt traumatised and felt like I was being sucked back into that deep dark black hole that I was in for years before over his porn addiction. After 2 days, I decided that I have to approach this differently because this is not helping either of us and so we talked and he promised he would stop and I would put monitoring software on his work laptop and he would start trying to help himself but how he was going to do that he didn't know. I told him I would support him in every-way possible but I needed him to be open and honest with me and to talk to me everyday about what is going on and his thoughts and feelings.

    So for about a month I have been trying to be caring, affectionate, understanding, supportive and do everything right that I possibly can to support him and to try and put my feelings aside even though I am suffering, in pain, being swallowed by depression and anxiety again, and struggling to just keep moving forward. I have tried twice to talk to him about my feelings of betrayal, feeling like a victim and how I feel traumatised. On both occasions he said this is not helping him, and basically just switched off, started stonewalling me and then fell asleep. I didn't make a big deal of it, and just left it at that and carried on trying to be positive and support him so he will work on his recovery.

    On Sunday, we were installing some storage units into the laundry. He made a suggestion about something and I jokingly said "No, what are we, Hillbillys?" and then about 30 seconds later I said "Could you imagine that on an interior design show?" He got angry and retaliated by saying that I am abusing him, and that he feels like he is being victimised and wants to talk about how I victimise him. Well this just triggered me. I just exploded, he feels victimised??? I retorted if anyone should be feeling like a victim right now it's ME not you. I have been trying to support you in your recovery for a month now, despite how hurt I feel, how traumatised and victimised I feel. I have got no support from you what so ever. The couple of times I tried to talk to you about my feelings, you just ignored me and went to sleep. And now you want to go on about how you feel victimised!!! We argued for hours....him refusing to listen, acknowledge or validate anything I said or how I feel.

    So for 4 days now we have been fighting and he is sleeping on the lounge and we've had quite a few screaming matches. He refuses to talk to me about my feelings on his porn addiction and how I feel victimised, betrayed and traumatised until I acknowledge and discuss with him first how my trivial comments on Sunday were insulting and victimising to him. Even though, I have been bottling up how I feel about his porn addiction, and all these years of continued lies and how it affects me mentally and emotionally for a month now, just so I can try and support him.

    I just feel he is so self-centred, self-absorbed, pigheaded, shows no remorse for what he has done to me, doesn't care about my feelings, refuses to listen to me, won't acknowledge or validate anything, wants everything on his terms, shows no respect for me whatsoever, and tries to make out that I'm just a mental case and everything is my fault. Even his inability to end his porn addiction - because if I do anything that upsets him, or makes him feel bad or if I say anything that he doesn't like then I'm Triggering him to use Porn.

    So, I thought we were doing pretty well, but I'm feeling like I'm in a very dark place right now.....not sure where to go from here.

    Am I the one whose really being that unreasonable?

    Thanks for taking the time to read. Would appreciate any advice or suggestions.....
     
    Last edited: Aug 23, 2018
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  2. Bobbyf76

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    Hello there. I am a PA myself, and let me assure you, you are NOT being unreasonable about this. You need to fix yourself before you can fix your marriage. My wife and I went through a long process. I had been lying to her for years about my porn addiction and use. One thing that triggered me was my depression. I would use porn to feel better, but it just made my depression worse, which made me use porn more, which turned into this hellish cycle until I attempted suicide. That broke the cycle for a little while, but negative thoughts crept back in and started the cycle all over again. I would project my feelings about myself onto my wife. I was full of irrational thoughts and fears. At first it was hard to own up to what I had done. She decided she would be supportive of my life change to quit porn, but we remained separated. Which I completely understood. It took time, and effort on my part to show her that I will never lie to her again. That I will be open and honest about everything. That I wouldn't hide anything from her. ANYTHING. No matter how big or small. If I thought about watching porn, I told her. If she had a question about one of my past lies, I told her, without hesitation so she knew it was true. What helped me was my wife being supportive of me, but working on herself before she tried to help fix me. She set guidelines and rules of what I had to do if I wanted any chance at all to work things out. The things I told my wife crushed her. I confessed to things I had been lying about for years. I have found that although it hurt her more than I have ever seen, telling her all those things helped her build trust in me, and helped build a foundation for our relationship. I'm sorry, I know I've written a lot. But just make sure you work in yourself first. He needs to understand your side and feelings. He needs to know how much you've been hurt by his actions. Hopefully things work out for you, and I wish you all the best
     
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  3. Chudmeister

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    I too was your husband, the lies are what makes things worse, the first thing he has to understand is lying is the worst thing he can do. And he has to want to fix his problem or it will continue.
     
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  4. HonestyMatters

    HonestyMatters Fapstronaut

    Thanks for your message and advice @Bobbyf76. I am definitely going to work on my own healing so I can not only help myself but be a better support to him too. It's wonderful to hear that you are now being so honest with your wife. It's so important, and I hope my husband can eventually understand how important this is in rebuilding trust. Best wishes with your recovery and to a much happier & healthier relationship. Congrats on the 150 days too, that's an awesome achievement!
     
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  5. HonestyMatters

    HonestyMatters Fapstronaut

    Couldn't agree more Chudmeister. He's on NoFap so I hope he see's these messages from you all and takes note. It's great that there are men like you out there...who are learning from there mistakes. Congrats on your 216 days....you are doing sooo well!!
     
  6. Chudmeister

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    I'm not 216 days I just don't know how to reset the counter I'm actually 135 days clean. It's a hard road but once I stopped the lies it got better.
     
  7. HonestyMatters

    HonestyMatters Fapstronaut

    It sounds like you've come a long way especially with the no more lying....best of luck on your journey. Also, I think there's a tab at the top somewhere Update Day Counter if you want to reset it.
     
  8. Chudmeister

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    I use rtribe to keep track and I was wrong I am 148 days sober. It is Def not easy but it's possible.
     
  9. The Lone Ranger

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    And I disagree with alot of the opinions above. Please believe me when saying I have all respect for your view of things and dont question the choices other people make. But for me, Ive reached other conclusions.

    Gone through much of the above, beeing the one with the addiction. Did the whole 100% honest thing with my wife after years of lying. Was abstinent for a long periode of time. Fell back into it. As Im convinced now days, I was taking on the PMO-issue from the wrong angle. Here is the (my) truth: Ive been doing this since the age of 8. It is not about my wife! She just got in the way and had her feelings smashed as a side effect! I love her sincerely. And everything about our relationship. Nothing in it is driving me towards PMO, nor away from it. I know it is a slap in the face, since my wife, in every way, is a victim in this, but its not about her. Hence, we cant seek the solution were we see the symtomps - the relationship. We have to address the sourse - me and my addiction. When I have dealt with the madness that I have put my self through, restored a healthy sexual integritet, with the help and support from my wife, not using suppressing means to oppress every inch of my sexuality, probably years from now, standing on my own two feet, I will be able to sincerely turn to my wife and say: ”what about you, tell me what you had to go through. Im so so sorry for what I have done to you, you didnt deserve any of it”.

    Is my wife keen on helping me in this after finding out the unrespectful devotion to PMO? Is she in any way obligated to follow through in this, having me as the most important person focusing on right now? Do I deserve it? Heck no! Is it however posible to heal our relationship back into a trustworthy, reliable state? I believe so. If we make it there I will cherish our marriage for ever and treat her as the queen she is.

    Wish you all nothing but the best!
     
  10. Chudmeister

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    The trick is not falling back into it again, I never said it was easy. But as an addict myself, you have to fight your own thoughts, I put steps in place to keep me away. I don't think anyone here has ever made the SO feel to be blamed. I myself know I am to blame and my wife helps me along the way. Yes it did devistate her but it makes me work harder to not do it, when I know it can destroy our marriage. The thing that gets in the way is porn. It keeps me from what I really want a healthy relationship and a healthy sex life.
     
  11. HonestyMatters

    HonestyMatters Fapstronaut

    I'm sure your wife would understand that it's not about her - at least I do but it took some time for me to stop personalising it. But it's the lying that really hurts now and the betrayal of trust. It may take time to rebuild the relationship but being honest along the way will certainly make it easier to rebuild the trust. I agree that you need to ultimately focus on you but it doesn't hurt to understand her pain and trauma along the way and I'm sure she'd appreciate the support too. I read in someone else's post a while back the steps they believed were necessary and I agree - the addict works on their own recovery while the partner works on healing their own pain and trauma and you can both support each other in the best way you can, then together when you both are feeling ready you can work on healing the relationship.... Best of luck, I hope it all works out for you both....
     
  12. The Lone Ranger

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    I guess this is what makes this addiction so devastating.
    These disscusions really help me alot, to keep my head straight, thank you for sharing!
     
  13. Chudmeister

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    What helps me with my addiction is I go into the rebooting In a relationship thread then spouse support, it helps me remember how my spouse feels and keeps me straight. Nothing hurts me more than knowing my wife is in pain.
     

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