When is it okay to masturbate?

Most people on this forum will tell you that you have to quit everything alltogether, so no masturbation. You should however do whatever you want and what feels good to you. I personally quit masturbation too so i can hold as much semen as i can. I've also seen some vids of youtubers who have experience with NoFap for a couple years, and some of them came to the conclusion its okay to masturbate every once in a while. Many of the benefits come from feeling good and energized. To much ejeculation will rob you from energy and porn often makes us feel bad about ourselves. Some get really depressed when relapsing but for others it doesn't affect them as much. Your mental wellbeing is key in this i would say.

I think if you do decide to masturbate, don't do it more then once in 3 days max, then you can give your body some time to recover. More ideal for a masturbater would be once a week maybe, when you notice a decrease in your energy you know you've done it to much.

Anyway, for now i have the best experience when i eliminate all aspects of PMO. It gives more self discipline and you have more energy overal. You still ejac from time to time through wet dreams though, but you won't lose nearly as much semen as someone who is still MO'ing.

Conclusion is just do whatever seems right to you, maybe experience it for a while and see how you feel when you do masturbate sometimes vs when you don't do it at all.

Edit: I do think that if you really want to face this addiction head on in order to become healthier its better to not masturbate as well. Maybe masturbating once in a while is more something for those of us who have been clean long enough to have the situation under control and won't let masturbation get out of hand again and lead them back into the addiction.

 

NEVER.

That's my take on it, now and forever.

 

If you use it to cope with emotions then probably you are addicted and need to stop.

 

Many people will give you their take but ultimately it is what is right for you.

• Masturbation is normal and part of sexual health.
  
• Having a glass of wine is normal and is part of dining experiences.
  
• Playing a round of poker at Christmas or holidays is normal and part of social engagement
• Going to work or the gym is normal and part of social integration

None of theses things in of themselves are bad or abnormal...

What is abnormal is when you have taken any of these to an extreme: when you have used and abused them as coping mechanism or to self-sooth or self-numb. When your actual physiology and brain receptors have modified to rely, depend and then crave these things .
That is when you are addicted. People get addicted to all kinds of things drugs, cigarettes, alcohol, sex, work , exercise, shopping, Netflix, you name it. Society to some extent tends to define which of these are more acceptable but in the end analysis, any of them that cause you harm through overuse or abuse are addictions.

Only you can decide and define what is acceptable to you but recognize that if you are addicted then it is unhealthy. Below is a mental health definition of addiction.

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The term "addiction" can mean many things to many people. For our purposes we define addiction as follows:

Addiction is the repeated involvement with a substance or activity, despite the substantial harm it now causes, because that involvement was (and may continue to be) pleasurable and/or valuable.


The reader should not confuse this definition of addiction with other related terms. Although similar, this definition of addiction should not be confused with the diagnostic criteria for a category of disorders known as Substance-Related and Addictive Disorders (APA, 2013). We will compare and contrast other terms later in this chapter.


There are four key parts to this definition of addiction:


1. Addiction includes both substances and activities (such as sex and gambling).
2. Addiction leads to substantial harm.
3. Addiction is repeated involvement despite substantial harm.
4. Addiction continues because it was, or is, pleasurable and/or valuable.

 

Masturbation cannot be natural and normal. If it was normal then semen would come out naturally just like peeing and feces from our backsides. Pee is waste, Feces is waste, Semen is treasure.

 

Truth has been spoken.
Never is the right answer. However you might allow yourself some time before accepting this once and for all. See for yourself.

 

put your trust in medical fact not religious fervour or the rantings of those who are unhinged or have their biases shaped by their own addiction. For me and many here PMO is wrong because of our mental framing and addiction :

THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT UNIVERSALLY WRONG.

To suggest so is utter stupidity and a complete lack of both self awareness and knowledge of the problem.

The problem is not masturbation

THE PROBLEM IS ADDICTION TO MASTURBATION

Nope, utter misguided bullshit has been spoken which doesn't help by trying to reduce a complex problem into something so simplistic as to be laughable.

If by truth one looks for FACTS then take some medical facts and lose the zealots and those who shout about Truth with no proof except their own misguided zealotry

Again to REPEAT for THOSE who simply cannot differentiate between what is wrong with THEM as opposed to what is WRONG to DO

FROM WEB MD https://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/guide/masturbation-guide#1

Is Masturbation Normal?

While it once was regarded as a perversion and a sign of a mental problem, masturbation now is regarded as a normal, healthy sexual activity that is pleasant, fulfilling, acceptable, and safe. It is a good way to experience sexual pleasure and can be done throughout life.


Masturbation is only considered a problem when it inhibits sexual activity with a partner, is done in public, or causes significant distress to the person. It may cause distress if it is done compulsively or interferes with daily life and activities.

If it doesn't cause you distress it is not a problem

AND THAT IS A MEDICAL VIEWPOINT

 

This.

We can do whatever we want in life as long as it doesn't hurt ourselves or others.

So if you have zero guilt and shame around masturbation, and it doesn’t cause you or others pain, then you’re fine. Don’t let other people give you shame about it.

But you must be real honest with yourself and your beliefs. Because if you’re trying to convince yourself it isn’t a problem but it actually is, then it will cause inner turmoil.

Personally I can’t do any masturbation. I’m addicted to it as much as I am porn. And when I mastubate it causes me harm and causes others harm too. Not always physical harm, but emotional harm too, and as for other people not directly, but if they were aware of what I was doing, it would hurt them.

Finally, even if it doesn’t cause you or others harm, it might be interesting experiment to stop it all together and see how you feel. I know a lot of the “lethargic, tired, irritated, isolated, lonely, etc...” type of feelings associated with masturbation went away for me and I had them for years.

Good luck on your journey!

 

I don't think it's okay to masturbate until after a reboot, and then only rarely, ensuring that it doesn't become an addiction again. Masturbation shouldn't be done simply because you have an addiction to orgasm. I've read elsewhere that the frequency of wet dreams when you abstain is a general guideline for how often you should ejaculate. If that's the case, it's better not to masturbate at all, since masturbation is training your body to respond to your hand, not a partner. I think ideally, the only release would be via a partner or a wet dream. Masturbation reduces your energy and motivation to improve your life, such as finding a partner.

Speaking of masturbation, a quick MO does less damage than edging, as your dopamine levels don't stay elevated for long periods of time, reducing your sensitivity to it, and your hands are on your penis less, causing less death grip and DE issues. Masturbation reduces the sensitivity of both your penis and the reward center of your brain, making life seem more dull and less vibrant.

 

Why is it that after you masturbate you feel guilty then?

 

^^^ Even without p I feel really guilty after mo. I think it's bc in our past P is so closely aligned with MO that it just reminds us of a relapse. Also it could mean lack of willpower and might lead to a full relapse with p you know. When you notice you have MO too much recently it's a good wake up call to change habits

 

Yes, even when I started masturbating as a little boy I felt guilty even though I did not know it was wrong.

 

Depending on your religion and culture, it might be considered shameful or a "sin". It might just be bringing up internalized guilt and shame, which isn't particularly healthy, and can make the problem worse (guilt and shame can cause anxiety arousal, and can drive you to self-medicate by doing the behavior even more!).

Also, I think when dopamine suddenly drops after orgasm, you're left wondering why you even did it in the first place, because you don't have the same drive anymore, so you may be disgusted by yourself for doing something "that isn't really you". You also usually feel tired and drained afterwards, so you can easily regret doing it, not liking the way you feel afterwards. That's a good reason to not do it in the first place! Remembering how lousy you feel afterwards is a good way to avoid doing it.

 

Okay

 

Well, how many of our parents repeatedly got upset and burned it into our brains that we shouldn't be naked or touch ourselves around other people, before we understood why? I remember my parents telling me to even minimize cleaning of my penis about as far back as I can remember as a small boy. They told me to simply quickly rinse it, not scrub with soap!
How many of us have some sort of association that our penis is "dirty" and we have to wash our hands after touching it (really for other peoples' sake, not ours!).

 

Haha yeah true that. What I was trying to get at is that experience has shown me that masturbation is wrong and not a normal thing to do simply because of the guilt that is triggered after.

 

I call bullshit. I will not withstand ignorants bragging about science when there actually are scientific evidences of the side effects of sexuality. There are a lots of them but because you never studied them you just don't know. We studied on ourselves (and you probably haven't), and now i even have rationale explanations and also SCIENTIFIC STUDIES. You know the one you claim to know about while just rehearsing mindlessly mainstream beliefs.

https://www.reuniting.info/content/men-does-frequent-ejaculation-cause-hangover
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20875461

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Abstract
Male rats allowed copulating without restriction with a single oestrous female ejaculate repeatedly until reaching sexual exhaustion. Twenty-four hours after this process, sexually exhausted males exhibit a series of physiological alterations when compared to non-exhausted males. Among them, the most conspicuous are a long-lasting sexual behaviour inhibition and a generalised hypersensitivity to drug actions. The objective of the present work was to establish if there was a correlation between these two features of sexual satiation in relation to the duration of its expression."

Any comments on the male rats behaviour from a scientific perspective ???