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I just don't get the NO PMO opinion.

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by ricardoquaresma, Jul 5, 2018.

  1. Ezpz

    Ezpz Fapstronaut

    As a person who is well studied and experienced on the subject i happen to have a fair knowledge of both porn and masturbation.

    There is lacking evidence for 'sperm retention', so that ends that subject.

    You need to do some more research about what we are addicted to. We are addicted to the surges of dopamine we get from viewing arousing images. Its our brain that needs the re-wiring not our body. Most of us on here aren't addicted to masturbation, its just the way we facilitate viewing porn. Check out Gary Wilsons website yourbrainonporn.com, there you can find real information.
     
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  2. Dagger323

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    Check out saneagain's posts on here and other forum sites. He is but one example of someone that has also damaged himself physically from PMO addiction. I have similar experiences to his. And many others do as well. I find your one-size-fits-all take on this to be a little off-putting...
     
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  3. Ezpz

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    Im not sure what your point is here, we were talking nothing about being damaged physically from PMO. At least stay on the subject.

    I don't think you really understand what addiction really is, like i said visit Gary Wilsons site and get educated before you make a nofap profile and start challenging others on this forum, it confuses the people on here looking for answers.
     
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    I'll just leave this here in case you still are wondering why I wasn't "staying on the subject"...
     
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    My response is literally based on my own experiences as well as those of others I have communicated with on this forum and countless testimonies I've read from YBOP. Everyone is going to experience things a little differently because everyone's situations are different. I'm not going to write off everyone who's comments I've read as well as my own experiences just because you and someone else doesn't believe it...
     
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  6. My man just said he experienced benefits in 35 days celibacy he didnt even for a second in 77 of only no porn.

    You can say nonsense like that because you we do not need some nerd who after school went to cambridge, did a phd in buology, did studies on this unbiased amd unbribed by porn industry on other rich people and then submitted his studies on a peer reviewed journal and had those studies redone by others like him and comfirmed.

    Just go a couple weeks no porn and proper celibacy and every man can see the truth.
     
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  7. Dagger323

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    Also, here's some backstory into me: I was never a hardcore porn addict. Sure, I watched it from time to time but I was so sexed-up that just as often if not more I got off to pics/vids of fully-clothed women I downloaded off google. Quitting porn wasn't that hard for me, as like I said I wasn't immensely attached to it anyway. I quit it around November of last year, and experienced no withdrawals until I also cut out M and O in February. That's when it all hit me, and man did it ever. If porn is the only culprit here, then why did I only experience these symptoms after entering hard mode? In fact, why does hard mode even exist if porn is our only enemy?
     
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  8. Saying masturbating or sex daily is okay but eating isnt thats like smoking ciggarets or weed without worrying that its damaging in any way or hearing others say it or being bribed into the movements that recommend smoking daily.

    Or killing people but not watching media that encourages killing intent.

    It's nonse.

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    You dont need porn to watch porn. You can get an erection and ejaculate without watching. Just think about it. You can get that dopamine rush just by having lustful thoughts.

    Porn is like a soft masturbation chemically and hormonally and masturbation is the full deal.

    SURE, watching porn can get your mind hooked on it. But its not only about that. Sexuality is a physical thing. Its a physical, not a mental one!
     
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  9. AddictMaster

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    Well for me personally, I need to become desensitized to masturbation. My tight grip had led to me being unable to ejaculate with women, with all 4 women I've been with. Vaginas are just to wet and loose for me to ejaculate at the moment, I hope to change that on this nofap journey.
     
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  10. WorthAShot

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    You may have missed what I posted a bit earlier, I address this pretty specifically. I'm not a doctor, not a psychologist (although I did have to grow up in a household with one, and being constantly analyzed at home is not the most fun experience), and not a clinical expert on addiction, but I have some critical thinking skills and can find patterns in behavior pretty easily. Quitting porn without quitting masturbation and orgasms isn't fully removing the dopamine surges from your brain, which is the whole feedback system your brain becomes acclimated to when you're in this cycle. You're removing the worst part, the porn, but the brain hasn't stopped associating masturbation or orgasms with porn and as you give the brain those dopamine surges, there's a probability that the cycle is still being fed, even without the porn itself. Disassociation of a correlated stimulus from a behavior is difficult if the stimulus is continued while the behavior is removed.
     
  11. Muhammad21

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    You need to read the guide first.
     
  12. Dagger323

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    Yeah, that makes sense. But again, I never had a porn addiction. I’m probably one of the few people on here that was suffering from an actual addiction to masturbation and not porn. When I first started fapping I was about seven years old, and I had no access to porn until I was in about eighth grade. Yet by the time I entered middle school I already began experiencing many of the symptoms that hardcore addicts complain of: blurred vision, brain fog, poor concentration, anxiety, depression, bad memory, etc. And I hadn’t viewed porn at all in my life yet. Even after I did gain access to it, I don’t think I ever fapped to it more than a few times a month. Comparatively I was jerking off to pure fantasies in my mind or YouTube vids of sexy non-nude women multiple times a day.
     
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  13. JJackson

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    I was actually the same way for a while. There was a point in my life where Id M 3+ times a day and it would literally be like I'm sitting there playing a game then stop for a minute to M and then go on with my day (or probably do it again later)

    Most of the stuff I MO'ed to for years wasn't porn, just attractive women or sadly, to admit cartoon characters. I really haven't MO'ed much to actual straight up porn videos.

    My porn use has mostly been pornographic pictures of characters, basically sex comics. Not proud of it but yeah... But even then, that didn't happen till 5-6 years in.

    The 1st 3 years was a lot of MO real quick and move on but still a decent amount of non pornographic stuff like pictures of women or characters not portrayed in a sexy way most of the time, sometimes a bikini at worst.

    Year 4 was when it became always looking/watching something while doing it but still not really porn. A lot of kissing scenes, pictures and characters. Can't even lie, a lot of the time it would be a picture of a girl and I'd just stare into her eyes, nothing sexual at all, just looking at her face.

    Years 5 and 6 we're when porn became a thing. Watched videos a few times but not that much honestly. The Sex comic thing was alot but again honestly I'd find myself mostly staring at the pictures of the characters face. Though there was tons of actual pornographic pictures. The closest thing to real porn videos I MO'ed to were sex scenes in movies and not even really hard ones, they were on YouTube and they take down hard shit.
     
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  14. Ezpz

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    What are you talking about, i couldn't make sense with half of what you just wrote.

    Im sorry but like i said the studies and evidence just aren't there, come back to me in a few years with real evidence then we can talk, but until then you have no ground to stand on.

    Also, regarding your last part ive been 100+ days now with no PMO and ive seen the benefits of no P, so not sure what point you are trying to prove here.
     
  15. Playing the dumb card :)

    Ive been no P and complete celibacy 100days plus too.
     
  16. Ezpz

    Ezpz Fapstronaut

    Id like to point out, NONE of the forums and websites regarding nofap are anti-masturbation. That includes Alexander from this forum, Gary Wilson from yourbrainonporn.com, Noah Church (youtube) and many others.

    Its called a porn addiction for a reason, theres no one saying masturbation is a bad thing, this information alone speaks for itself.
     
  17. True reboot includes celibacy as well, as theres Great power to be gained from it.

    Its just the way it is.

    1,000s people here prove it.

    Talking in the name of the forum owners doesnt say anything, they arent gods. They are simply the first noffappers to take initiative.


    They say studies haven't proved celibacy. But they havent disproved it either. In fact scientists are avoiding this on purpose. It all revolves around money.

    So then if no studies..

    ..we are left with the obvious. Semen is made of food and a lot of food as we can see by the nutritious content of it - scientists have proved the abundant nutritious content of the semen.

    ..we are left with the testimonies and experiences of 1,000s here. 1,000,000s.
     
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  18. JJackson

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    Orgasm can produce not just a drug-like high, but also a neurochemical recovery period as the brain returns to homeostasis. The more powerful the blast of neurochemical excitement during orgasm, the lower the lows as the brain recovers. In some of us recovery may take the form of more intense cravings due to a numbed pleasure response in the brain, (mild or severe) lethargy, depression, anxiety or, in the sexually repressed, remorse (due to projection of distress onto a harsh deity). The result is often a desire to self-medicate with more masturbation. Many don't perceive the escalation tendency until they are free from orgasm for a period and then return to it.

    -Causes Drug like highs
    -Brain needs time to recover
    -Some might experience MORE INTENSE CRAVINGS
    -Desire to self medicate with more M

    It CAN be addictive, doesn't mean it is to everyone, but it can be and is to a lot of people. Thats why they easily do 90 days with no P, because they're still getting those highs.

    https://yourbrainonporn.com/the-right-masturbation-advice
     
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  19. Excessive fapping dulls your brain, weakens your senses. Turns you into a anxious, low confidence wreak. You might get a really good high from fapping alone in your bedroom or wherever you do it. But when you are forced to leave your cave and interact with real people. You become all weird because you dont feel normal anymore.

    Fapping = Anxiety
     
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  20. Dagger323

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    My case alone speaks for itself. And I’ve done enough research into the many testomonies of others to determine I’m not alone. Masturbation clearly does cause damage to the mind and body when done in excess. In fact so does any sexual activity. No animal was created to orgasm multiple times a day every day. Again, explain to me why hard mode is a thing if porn is the only problem. Why is it necessary for certain people to cut out all sexual activity for a length of time to fully reboot when according to you their only real issue is their addiction to porn?
     
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