Permanent Semen Retention? Non-religious discussion

I'm so happy to have found your reply.... since your ibogaine treatment.. you've been porn free? I been researching the Ibgo tree and it's ability to reset the mind's receptors.... I'm currently thinking about going through with the Ibogaine treatment in Mexico... my porn addiction is on steroids and it's too much trauma from my childhood that keeps locked into it smh....

 

Good luck @The_Velvet_Rope it takes a brave soul to endure an iboga / ibogaine reset. Apparently, the ibogaine (isolated compound) is less intense, safer and easier to manage, lasting around 12 hours rather than 36 hours, but people have occasionally died doing it, more due to complications of say not being completely clean for a week beforehand, rather than from the medicine itself. I feel for you if you're considering that. Ayahuasca might be an effective path to try also, if called to it. Perhaps no less brutal to take.

On topic: The question of health and damage is a no brainer. It is more taxing on general health to ejaculate often than to refrain from doing so. Feel so much better with retention. Wet dreams do not release a full load in my experience, far from it. To release occasionally during actual love making sounds ideal, with conscious attention to timing and choice. To say that permanent practice would result in the inability to function if/when one chose to, is ridiculous. Might as well say that if you meditate all day, you will break your mind and lose the ability to think a simple thought.

Permanent retention is possible and reasonable. I do feel that during intercourse, there is an energy exchange and some give and take. I enjoy being a generous lover and a big motivation to practice retention in the first place was to last longer and being able to give a partner pleasure for longer. The energy loss of occasionally releasing would be resolved and balanced by the energy provided by one's lover, whom you would hope to also have a generous spirit.

If you choose to remain celibate, then you could just retain away endlessly, it seems, although with hardly any clear benefit from going that extra step.

 

This is a cult. Semen is supposed to shoot into vagina and fertilize the woman's egg. I have no interest in "permanent semen retention". smh

 

Cool story bro.

 

Thanks for the concern.... In the past I took psilocybin shrooms once that took me to some emotionally tuff places in my past over a 7 hour period... Granted I realized I had a lot of unresolved problems from childhood but they did nothing to help me get over my syndrome I had at the time TMS (Tension Myositis Syndrome)/porn addiction... I later found info on how to get over it..... I just hope once I go through with the ibogaine this porn addiction is gone... I don't want this crap in my mind wreaking havoc in my life any longer...... I've read into Ayahuasca I've read its experience is a lot like the shroom experience so I haven't really wanted to do it but I've been told by healers I know personally that they helped their patients with drug/porn porn addiction get over it for good with ibogaine.. I'll keep you posted on my progress in this..... I wish you the best as well...

 

There's a lot to be said for having an awareness of areas that need healing and being willing to actively face those places and seek real healing. P and drug addiction look the same in their effects on the brain, so you should have some decent results with the ibogaine if you are willing to go through it. I love my psychedelics, but would hesitate to try it without good reason. A strong intent is advised. Good luck and thanks.

 

@kayesem I just wanted to touch basis with you again man. I flew to Mexico back on Jan 30 2018 to stay at an Ibogaine clinic for 7 days. After settling in on the 1st day, the clinic did blood work and an EKG to ensure my vitals were sufficient enough to do the ibogaine treatment. On the 3rd day I was given the test dose of ibogaine in the evening by a doctor at the clinic while having a ivy stuck in my wrist and a heart monitor attached to my chest. Shortly there after, I was given the flood dose of Ibogaine in pill form. Shortly after I was given the flood dose (2 pills) I began feeling the ibogaine working in my system. I had to close my eyes after the flood doses since I found it difficult to keep them open. The ibogaine had my thoughts racing like a film reel and casting bright crystal like binaries I my eyes. My mental trip on the ibogaine lasted all the evening from 10pm through sunrise the following morning. The first half of the trip had me floating through the astral world where I encountered the spirits of friends and loved ones (some alive/some deceased). I remember a nurse there at the clinic helped me walk to the rest room since the ibogaine had my nervous system shaking while doing its reset. After going back to rest I remember the ibogaine rocking my body in a forward and backward motion as I lied in bed. Shortly after I sat up with a bucket as I began to purge /vomit as the ibogaine spoke to me showing me image after image of the smut I've watched/seen since over the years. As I purged out I felt like the weight porn has place on my spirit was being lifted off of me to where I didn't have to carry the baggage of it any longer. After the purging was done I remember the ibogaine showing me myself internal in 3rd person as I was showed what porn has done to me as a person (becoming that of a living shadow that has become closed off and withdrawn). The Ibogaine allowed my higher self to talk to me and help me over come this addiction. The following 2 days after the ibogaine treatment I had to regain the use of my legs fully while there at the clinic. Since doing it I don't feel the withdrawal symptoms I use to fill pre ibogaine when I attempted to give up porn. Not only has the ibogaine reset the pathways in my brain that were keeping me locked into porn addiction for dopamine highs, it also cleared my air passageways that where slightly clogged and has given me a big dose of love/understanding towards family I have I didn't feel so understanding of previously pre ibogaine. All in all I feel like a different more focused person that is NOT under the whip of porn addiction any longer. I'm so grateful for the iboga shrub and the ibogaine alkaloid being in existence! I flew back home yesterday to the east coast where I live and since leaving Mexico I've just been thinking that Iboga can really change the world if more people were able to do it. It not only helps one overcome the addiction but it also allow one to love more freely in a non judgmental way.

The clinic also had ayahuasca ceremonies but I only opted for the ibogaine since it's helps clear addiction in those who takes. I plan to write out a thread on my experience using ibogaine in a bit, just thought I share with you though since your knowledgeable of psychedelics

 

Its true that orgasm and ejaculation are two separate events, but its very hard to train our mind to separate them. There is a good book on this topic "Multi-Orgasmic man" by Mantak Chia, in which he explains the whole idea very well. I would suggest to read it for people interested.

I have gone through the book and tried the exercises. This was around 2 years back when I was on around 50 days streak of nofap and I thought of taking it to the next level. The first is thought control exercise and the next is strengthening the PC muscle exercise. Till this point, its pretty harmless PMO wise, other than causing wet dreams sometimes due to tension in the PC muscle.

Then comes the part when you actually start to masturbate and reach the point just before ejaculating and use the PC muscle to stop the rhythmic contractions which normally cause the ejaculation. Combined with deep breathing, you send this hot energy upwards through your spine to the head. The idea is to move your focus upwards and the energy will follow your focus(That where the first exercise helps). You would cool down and then start again. Ideally, the ejaculation is not supposed to start ever and thus you can stop at any point you wish.

The problem that I faced was it fires up the masturbation reward circuits in the brain. The same circuits that we all are trying to rewire. The moment you lose your focus, you are gone. I ended up ejaculating and then it felt like a relapse. Then the Chaser effect hit me and I was done for. It gets worse and worse and it resulted in full relapse with porn too. I gave up and tried again in the next streak, but without result. It resulted in ruining my many streaks. Since then I have given up on it as it seems futile. Even if I was able to control my ejaculation for a session, I used to end up having a huge wet dream that night and it would sum it all up to zero.

I guess you can use the techniques like breathing rhythmically and also using PC muscles to last longer in bed when having sex with a partner. You can play around and choose to ejaculate when you wish. Trying it alone is also fine, if you are not on a nofap streak and are OK with ejaculating a couple of times before you get it right. Mixing nofap and this technique is a bad idea though .

 

Yep. It takes a long time to master, and is basically edging. The main benefits are surely found in practice with a partner.

 

Yep

I think you may have a false assumption as your starting point: "the male body needs orgasm" this idea is simply not true, see previous posts. Orgasms are addictive. And people rationalize their addictions. The majority of boys/men are addicted in my estimation.

I believe wet dreams are not the result of needing orgasm rather they point to another need. The need for beauty and connection. This need not be sex, though it could be, but it can just be flirtation or touching for instance. It is erotic but does not require actual sex or orgasm. To the very interesting side effect of this is that easily transmutes into other beautiful things. I don't quite know how to transmute sweaty orgasmic sex... but I most certainly can gaze and delight in a sunset the same way I can gaze in delight into a woman's eyes.

I personally discovered for myself that if I repress erotic thoughts (which always did as part of of nofap) that they come to haunt me in my dreams with overwhelming force. But when I indulge in erotic fantasies during the day (keeping them innocent, never leading to orgasm) then I have no erotic or wet dreams.

 

^ Interesting notes.

Yeh, what we spend out time doing, thinking, imagining and feeling during waking hours, indirectly (and sometimes more directly, as in the case of reality checking) effects the life of our dreams, lucid or not. The dynamics between our conscious and subconscious states of being are pretty wild.