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What wrong with communism?

Discussion in 'Off-topic Discussion' started by S.A.D., Sep 7, 2017.

  1. SupBruh

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    It's a good thing if you get sex regularly. It's a bad thing if you're not good looking and get passed over by girls though
     
  2. ShiningMoon88

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    Sex with your wife, sure. It's just an "agree to disagree" situation on this point, I think.
     
  3. SuperFan

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    No, it's the one YOU brought up.

    I mean fuck, man ... you even chose to quote the section where it referenced the results of the Commonwealth study. The more you try to run from this, the more I'm going to embarrass you for it.

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    And that WHO list you posted? It doesn't show America dead last among developed nations at all. It's ahead of both New Zealand and South Korea. So the burden is still on you to find another study that 1) shows America dead last overall, and 2) isn't from the Commonwealth Fund.

    According to you, there are hundreds of sources, so this shouldn't be hard.



     
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  4. SuperFan

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    God I love how you keep posting sources that make my point.

    Here's a great passage from FactCheck.org that you conveniently skipped over:

    "It’s certainly the case that we have higher survival rates than the United Kingdom and other countries with nationalized health care. Across the board, the United States boasts a higher five-year relative survival rate than the European average, according to a 2008 study in the British medical journal Lancet. For breast cancer, for instance, the U.S. survival rate was 83.9 percent, the U.K. rate was 69.7, and the average European rate was 73.1."
    So according to your FactCheck.org article, does the United States have higher cancer survival rates than countries with nationalized health care? If you need help, I put the answer in bold.
     
  5. Peacekeeper

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    Look at Argentina, we were governed 12 years by the Kirchners, it was sort of an authoritarian democracy leading to some form of comunism. Yeah comunism may sound like an utopy but, in reality, it doesn't work. We became one of the 3 countries in the whole world with the highest inflation (40%!), 30% of poberty and one of the most closed economies in the world, high tax burden, while the governors made millions of dollars stealing money from the people. We could be one of the leading countries in the world due to our natural resources and our people. In fact we were one of the richest countries in the world at some point...till the populist came.

    P.D.: Did I mention it was one of the most corrupt goverments of the world?
     
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  6. >calling me an "incel"
    >expects to be taken seriously
     
  7. SuperFan

    SuperFan Fapstronaut

    I guess @Themadfapper got tired of making my argument for me.
     
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  8. Metal Bat

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    "P.D.: Did I mention it was one of the most corrupt goverments of the world?"

    You are like a little baby

    Watch this

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  9. Peacekeeper

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    I don't know much about them but they where friends with Cristina Kirchner. But do you have an idea of how devasted our country was left?
     
  10. Nothing, it's just never going to be applied in a society with a capitalistic foundation such as America. It doesn't work in poor countries either because it only leads to mass poverty, unethical business practices, and anarchy. From what I know, China is one of the only countries in the world that has successfully pulled off communism.
     
  11. NemissisByName

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    From what I know its principles would be good in a perfect world. Unfortunately the world is not a perfect place.
     
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  12. Yeah that's what I tell people who say that communism works. Its principles could work in a perfect world but unfortunately in reality we live in an imperfect world.
     
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  13. Runtilmylegsdropoff

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    bernie bro's and hillary's love communism.
     
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  14. Wazzai

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    One of the problems with communism is how resources are distributed. We simply do not have enough food, land, etc for everybody.

    It's not pleasurable to say, but you have a home because someone who is sleeping on the street doesn't. You eat enough because someone else isn't.

    I am not trying to bash anyone, do not feel bad because you're doing better than someone else. It's natural selection. It still exists among humans, just in another form.
     
  15. AlienOverlord

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    Our economies are not structured for true Communism to work, and our way of thinking would not allow for the difficult necessary changes.

    Wut?

    https://wastenotaz.org/who-we-are/

    https://www.usda.gov/oce/foodwaste/faqs.htm

    http://www.realtytrac.com/content/n...2-million-vacant-homes-a-national-crisis-7723
     
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  16. Plutonium

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    For the benefit of those new to the thread I will repeat - as it bears repeating - that there are two fundamental problems with communism (/socialism - they're both essentially the same):

    1) In a communist society who's going to take out the trash?

    2) In a communist society there are no factor prices so economic calculation is impossible

    For 1) communists argue that this is not a problem as human nature will be transformed and we will all become new socialist men and women happy to take out the trash if asked to do so for the motherland. This is wishful thinking on stilts, of course, but it is not absolutely outside the realms of possibility.

    For 2) factor prices are important because in production factor inputs are transformed into units of outputs that should be more valuable if wealth is being created. If outputs are less valuable than the inputs then economic destruction has taken place. Under communism, without factor prices there can be no economic calculation. Therefore, there is simply no way of knowing whether at any given factory, or for the economy as a whole, wealth is being created or destroyed.

    The practical lie of item 1) is what helps make communism a miserable experience for those who have to live under it. But it is item 2) that ultimately destroys a communist country. Always has, always will. There is absolutely no way round it. It is the Achilles' heel of communism, and anyone who promotes communism in any shape or form displays their utter ignorance of both economics and history. Period.
     
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  17. What’s wrong with communism? Have you not taken a history class before?

    Also communism is still very much alive and well in the USA. The communist party is gaining more and more power. Just going to leave this here.
     
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  18. Wazzai

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    Fair point on all of those. We are a wasteful species.

    It's true that there are things we can do, I read through the articles.

    The problem I still have is that the number of people is increasing, big time, and the amount of them that are educated is also increasing, but at a much slower rate.

    There are people who are poor who feel that they should be put into homes just because they are people and there are people who work really hard every day of their lives to improve their living conditions.

    So if we help all these people most of them would just waste everything they get more.

    If the working people are given opportunities to better their lives their lives would improve greatly.

    The others that are just lazy would mess up and go right back to being on the street.
     
  19. wake_up

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    Ok, super interesting (off) topic thread. :D
    I'll read it, when I've got more time , but I wanna share this video with you
    Stefan comes straight to the point :p (Ok, just kidding, but)
    Stefan has some really good videos on his channel, where he debates with people on these topics, you could listen to his arguments)

    My opinion/gist on that is: communism (at least the type which appeares/appers in reality) always steals from the productive (people) and gives it to the unproductive. Sooner or later the productive do not see a sense in working, and the whole system collapses.

    I'm in Europe/Germany, and I feel this myself. The state takes away most of my money (if I count ALL the taxes everywhere, in every product, it's probably somewhere in the 80% range) ...
    Then they redistribute it, often to the voters of the current majority party (and often to people I actually dont want to support b/c I'd prefer to support someone else) or the governments start wars in other countries (which I strongly oppose in general).
    So the final question arises: Why should I work ?

    At the same time I became extremely sceptical of our (pseudo) "capitalist" system as well. The people with money have too much power and influce the politics / the state in their favor.
    Also the whole money system is a scam, b/c (central) banks can print money as much as the governments want to (even when the central banks are independent from government on paper).
     
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  20. lantti

    lantti Fapstronaut

    What's wrong with communism?

    Everything:rolleyes::cool::)

    Communism in nutshell;) Goods are given to people that do not deserve them.
     
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