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Struggling with frequent relapses on normal mode, considering hard mode (possible triggers)

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by jsg, Sep 22, 2017.

  1. jsg

    jsg Fapstronaut

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    The title basically sums it up. I've been trying to quit porn (and masturbation, though I have little desire to masturbate without porn) for a few months now. Initially, I saw a lot of progress. Drastically reduced my porn usage and saw a lot of benefits in terms of mood, concentration, etc. But I still seem to relapse at least every couple weeks, and the days leading up to the relapse are awful. I've tried just about everything I can think of, except switching to hard mode.

    So that's what I'm now considering. I'm married, and while I've been trying to quit porn and masturbation, I've still been having sex with my wife once or twice a week. I suffer from PIED to some degree (for whatever reason, I have no PIED in the morning, only afternoon and evening). That's actually gotten worse since I started trying to quit porn (I think my own expectations and performance anxiety have a lot to do with that). So most of the time when we have sex, I have only a partial erection, and I typically ejaculate very quickly, without getting fully hard. Sometimes I want and initiate the sex, but it's usually my wife. Again, none of these issues arise when we have sex in the morning, for whatever reason. But the rest of the time, sex is not natural or easy for me.

    So because of all that, I'm considering trying out hard mode. My wife is aware of my struggles with pornography, and she's been nothing but supportive. She's said she'll get on board for this if I want to do it. Does anyone who has experience with both hard and normal mode (i.e., no PMO vs. no PM) think abstaining from sex completely for a while could be beneficial to me? Also, would it be harmful to my recovery if I were to give my wife oral and/or manual stimulation during this time period? I hate to deny her that sexual contact just because of my issues (even though she's supportive of me doing it). That's the main reason I've been hesitant to try hard mode before.

    Any opinions are greatly appreciated.
     
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  2. Jimmy5555

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    You are very lucky to have a wife who is supportive!

    What causes your relapses? Is it the same thing each time?

    I understand your dilemma, my thoughts are:

    - It will put alot of pressure on you as your wife will have to wait
    - You should have exhausted all other reasons why you may have relapsed and know that having sex is having an impact on your relapses
    - She will be ok with lack of sexual activity (and that if you perform oral or manual it will not affect your progress)

    That said, if you have talked in detail and you both are happy to with you trying this then it could be the way for you.

    Sorry if not entirely helpful but understand your situation.. I abstained (not through nofap®) with a new girl and it took time but I got better whilst having sex but no pm but we are all slightly different.
     
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  3. jsg

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    Thanks for the response. And yes, believe me, I know I'm lucky to have my wife!

    As for what causes my relapses, I'd say there are a number of factors, but there's a lot of commonality between them. The biggest issues for me are stress (generally work-related) and isolation. I work from home, almost entirely on solo projects, and I don't have the space for a home office separate from my main PC. So basically, I sit alone in my living room all day, stressed out about my work, at the same PC that I used to use to look at pornography. It's a bad situation. But I finally bit the bullet and got a laptop and a few other things necessary to work outside my house. I'm going to start doing that next week, and I think that will help with my urges and relapses a lot.

    As for whether sex is causing me to relapse, I'm not sure. I don't think it is, but I could be mistaken. My biggest issue is that my sex drive does not come naturally or easy for me, as described in my original post. I know quitting pornography is what I need to do to fix that. But my thinking is that abstaining from sex for a while might help me recover a more natural libido more quickly.

    That's the hope, anyway. Again, I appreciate your response, and anyone else that wants to weigh in is more than welcome.
     
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  4. Jimmy5555

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    Yes it would be good to get some more input here from others.. come on people :)

    I appreciate that your situation is really tough, stress and isolation is a big trigger for me and you have to deal with it daily.

    Do you plan your breaks? Exercise or a walk, meditation etc?
     
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  5. jsg

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    Yeah, I take breaks periodically. I take a walk in the morning, as well as meditate. Do a bit of yoga after lunch. It all helps, but most of it is still in isolation. Hence why I think working outside the house will help a lot. Urges don't normally strike me when I'm with other people, even if I'm more or less doing my own thing.
     
  6. Jimmy5555

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    Yeh same here I work in the day and there I don't need to think about it at all.. you sound like you have the right routine though and working away from the house might help. How long you thinking of going hard mode?
     
  7. SanityOverVanity

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    You've identified some effective methods to combating PMO already. Definitely get out more if you can, especially when an opportunity to work away from your PC arises.

    I'll always recommend a healthy, veggie heavy diet that includes ice cold water as the main (or only) liquid consumed.

    Consider doing some self-reflection over the next few days to figure out what your triggers are. I personally think of all the techniques you'll be implementing over the next few weeks and throughout this journey this is by far one of the most important. It'll help you prepare and be mindful of your weaknesses. I wrote mine down early on in reboot and look at them almost daily as a reminder of what to avoid. Know your enemy!

    Also, try making a list of why PMO needs to go. This is another way to remind you of what's at stake.

    Download K9, it's fantastic and even though I haven't once searched for P since starting reboot just having it there in the background is a great failsafe.

    Lastly, try to have NoFap opened as a tab in your browser whenever you can. That way even when you don't have it in mind it'll be right there in front of you ready to help if needed. Use the PMO tracker! Psychologically, I've become very attached to seeing my number go up daily and maintaining it.

    You're a blessed man to have such an understanding and supportive wife. And always remember you've got fellow addicts here going through similar struggles. No problem is too great for all of us if we share the burden.
     
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  8. jsg

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    Yeah, I think it'll make a big difference. I'm considering abstaining from sex for four weeks, and then reevaluating from there. Cutting out porn forever, of course.

    Thanks for your input. I've done some of what you suggest already (writing down my triggers as I discover them, refreshing my memory about them frequently, reminding myself why I'm quitting, setting up blocking software). Keeping NoFap open regularly seems like a good idea too. Just that extra reminder. As for the counter, for various reasons, I found it counter-productive for me, so I stopped using it. Though I still remember my relapses and how long it's been since I relapsed, even though I don't consciously try to track the days. Just gets etched into my head.
     
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  9. MarinoBigFan1984

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    Hard mode is the most effective
     
  10. It's good that your trying a change of scenery for work. That helps a lot.
    Why not try sex without ejaculation? I don't know if that appeals to you but you could do that for the first few weeks. Good luck!
     
  11. Deedagoat

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    Ok so I’m on like day 5 with NoFap and I receive oral sex but i didn’t cum I told her to stop so I wouldn’t cum does that countas relapse
     
  12. Ronaldo Machuca

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    Hardmode means ridding a lot of access to the internet. Sticking to routines.
     

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