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Semen Retention = Steroids

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by AChosenPeople, Oct 27, 2017.

  1. Crâ

    Crâ Fapstronaut

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    Sorry but testosterone has truly nothing to do with PMO... It's a myth.
    It’s known that short-term abstinence of 3 weeks can slightly increases testosterone levels in healthy human subjects, and one interesting study shows a significant 145% spike in T at the 7th day of abstinence (probably an evolutionary trigger to reproduce). However, long-term abstinence of 3 months has been shown to significantly reduce testosterone levels (note that this is only researched in men with erectile dysfunction, so the low T can be caused by something completely different).
    Source: https://www.anabolicmen.com/ejaculation-testosterone/
     
  2. I've read that in rat testing, it took prolactin a couple of weeks to come back down to normal levels, I know it's rats but they use rats cause they have similar genealogy or something as us, so maybe something along the lines, something must be true about prolactin affecting us long enough to affect our testosterone (also dopamine and testosterone have bidirectional relationship, which dopamine is affected in this addiction) so perhaps there's a relationship between pmo addicts and prolactin levels and testosterone levels, combined with host of other stressors, I'm assuming there is some stressed body part from too much O, on our body probably screws our body's ability to work at optimal levels

    Also, I agree with too long of an abstinence can hurt T levels, that's why I think we should keep our body in normal shape and O once a few weeks, kind of like weening off, in a sense
     
  3. That last bit is a little theory of mine ^_^
     
  4. According to the data growth hormone generally peaks at around 24 hours. Thus my fasts are about 32 hours (one day + two nights for sleep), as opposed to intermittent fasting. Growth hormone generally always works in 'spikes', it doesn't typically stay high for long lengths of time, so 'spikes' are the only way that growth hormone initiates any kind of effects.

    Fasting has also been shown repeatedly in the scientific literature to increase D2 receptors and have other beneficial effects on the brain, including provoking brain growth. However I wouldn't expect much from intermittent fasting. To me, fasting means not eating all day, if you eat a meal on the day you fast that sort of defeats the purpose.

    Wasn't expecting any such effects.
     
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  5. Opportunity For Better

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    Minor correction:

    The study shows that men with existing erectile dysfunction also presented with low testosterone. Then, three months after their ED was treated, their testosterone increased.

    The abstract doesn't say how long they had suffered from ED and (involuntarily) abstained from sex. There is also the confounding factor that ED is humiliating and feeling humiliated significantly reduces male testosterone levels. Conversely, feeling victorious significantly raises them and it's no great stretch to think that the guys would feel pretty good about themselves with a newly working penis.

    So it's possible that the testosterone boost related more to confidence rather than sexual activity. I'm not saying that's the case, but without a study that somehow parses those two factors, you can't say for sure.
     
  6. So, is it possible we have low testosterone because we are depressed and vigorless, resulting in a more "weak" body "frame"
     
  7. I have a naturally masculine body-shape and a low bass voice and I've been depressed and so on for the last four years.
     
  8. Are you saying you have high testosterone even though you're depressed, so no correlation?
     
  9. Opportunity For Better

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    Absolutely!

    The body has a feedback loop, where your thoughts and behaviors affect your hormones and your hormones affect your thoughts and behaviors.There are a bunch of studies that show that depression is correlated with low testosterone.
     
  10. My understanding is that clinically low testosterone (emphasis on clinically low) can increase risk for depression but depression doesn't reduce testosterone.

    I think the studies on the relationship between testosterone and depression are focused on hypogonadal or very old men.
     
  11. Opportunity For Better

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    Not all, but most are. The reason is because studies are conducted for two reasons:
    1. Potential profit;
    2. Researchers staying relevant ("publish or perish").
    So, studies are done where there is financial interest involved. Guys who are typically known to have low testosterone are the best market for TRT, so studies are done on them.

    It makes sense that it would. Winning increases testosterone and losing decreases it. Heck, even watching someone you like lose decreases testosterone.

    Of course, chronic stress decreases testosterone, as does chronic inflammation. Since chronic inflammation is strongly correlated with depression, there's another mechanic whereby depression could lower testosterone.

    Getting back to my previous post, it's well known that men in long-term relationships experience a decline in testosterone. Men in new relationships of a year or less have the same levels of testosterone as single men. Since men in long-term relationships have about as much sex as single men, it's not the amount of sex that's affecting their testosterone. So it's reasonable to think that the dudes in the ED study were experiencing levels of testosterone reflecting their new lease on life, rather than increased sex, per se.
     
  12. I understand what you mean Hannai. You have a picture of Bruce Lee, a fan of martial arts or some workouts? I used to do body weight work out for a class and noticed I was getting pretty cut and my body felt lean and tighter, do you have any programs or regime you can share with me? :)
    Hey opportunity for better, although the "science" isn't out on it, I do believe in what you say. One example is when we meditate, we can lower cortisol (stress hormone) and when we stress our selves out, we increase cortisol, in both these examples the mind controlled the hormone levels. but that's just for stress, I wonder if I can do something through the mind that will increase my testosterone or create a tougher bodily build, that would be awesome!
     
  13. Opportunity For Better

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    Absolutely! ;)

    It should be obvious that our thoughts affect our body chemistry, even if only temporarily. Think sexual thoughts, experience physical arousal; think scary thoughts, get a flood of adrenaline; etc. But there's even more than that you can do with your mind.

    In this study, one group of people did physical exercise and another group of people just imagined themselves doing it. Each group trained, either physically or just by visualizing, for 15 minutes a day, 5 days a week. At the end of 12 weeks they measured the strength gains of both groups. The physical exercisers had increased their strength by 53%. But the people in the group who just thought about exercising increased in strength by 35%!

    Here's another study with a similar concept. At the end of this study, the group that had been exercising made gains of 30% and the all-in-the-head group gained by 22%. Not only that, but both groups gained strength in another measured area that they didn't train. The only way that could happen is by an increase of muscle-growth hormones circulating the body.

    BTW, the above is also an argument for undistracted training. Focus on what you're doing for potentially more gains.
     
  14. Wow that's powerful!! I'm going to visualize while I workout next time to increase the gains even further. Usually I just workout and think about finishing my workout. Now I'll be more mentally proactive

    Also I agree with you about adrenaline through fear and such, so imagining yourself stronger will make you feel stronger which in return your body conforms to that thought through some feed back loop by secrete some hormone, do you meditate or do affirmations?
     
  15. My total is in the 450 range and free is 12.2, how bad is your anxiety? I have depression and anxiety and brain fog, perhaps it's dopamine related? I think pmo attacks us on all fronts, mentally and physically, mentally warps our mind to become a voyeur and physically.. well something is happening to our body by getting hooked on porn and madturbation! Whether brain or somewhere else. Do you think people feeling better from depression and anxiety and brain fog comes from the dopamine theory then? Because low dopamine affects all those symptoms

    What's clomid?
     
  16. You're right on the dopamine theory on nofap being s hypothesis I suppose BUT id say all addictions work pretty similar and it's only so many chemicals in our body that can explain it, but dopamine is typically the one that makes us go get our fix because we have grown so habitually acclimated to liking/seeking it, so receptors for all addicts become desensitized doing host of things with usually the same symptoms.

    Are you saying you had anxiety and your anxiety got better?

    I guess I never really thought to take blood test before and after. Read many peoples' stories similar to mine and got better and I follows suit for 2.5 years and the general direction feels up but I keep doubting the process, I'm scared this is it it and if It gets better. That's why I ask you because you seem knowledgable, so I ask for your opinion and your experiences to see if they match others and maybe get some science out of ya, people say correlation doesn't equal causation but it can be!

    Also, I don't mess with any of those kind of drugs because I have no idea what I'm doing. I hear people do more harm than good with those stuff so I'd rather not make the situation worse but clomid sounds almost promising
     
  17. FapFapFapNoMore

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    I'm taking clomid right now, I can tell you...that I get really emotional. and.....well my the size of my *nts* is way bigger, I feel like its about to explode. (too much details) but I am full! Clomid could increase testosterone, but it can also raise estrogen, its best to take AIs with it...like arimidex....if you wanna go for natural AIs, you can take calcium d glucarate, grape seed extract and chrysin with bioperine.
     
  18. AChosenPeople

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    I take a dose of Nofap and it is enough for me to kill my workouts.
     
  19. Masterkilla123

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    Why would there be studies on semen retention, the porn industry is worth billions why on earth would they be doing studies???? their agenda is to get men to pmo in order for them to profit
     
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  20. They would make bias studies to perhaps deceive in accordance to their own agendas
     

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