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My journal - stories from The Wife of a porn addict

Discussion in 'Rebooting in a Relationship' started by TheWife, Sep 13, 2015.

  1. First, he needs to stop looking at porn and masturbation forever, it only DISTANCES you from each other because that is one less reason for you guys to be together if he has a method to ejaculate. Second there is absolutely no cop out. You have the knowledge and understand what will happen with his actions. He will embarrass you and your kids because of him wishing to see call girls and what not. His porn addiction will take him away from reality and what this addiction does is it NUMBS you to all else that you derive pleasure from, i.e., your kids and yourself. This addiction must stop now or indeed, the steps that you were talking about such as taking your kids away, MUST happen.
     
  2. I am saying this from the perspective of someone that used to masturbate and watch pornography by the way. All it did was suck my attention away from my girlfriends... Sigmund Freud even mentioned once in his research that masturbation is a form of immaturity.
    Trust me, once masturbation and pornography is stopped, all else seems to fall in place. This is because your brain must cope with its new life you have given it, i.e., no masturbation and will find other ways to release sexual tension.
     
  3. DireMerl

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    I agree about the imarurity behind it. My husband has actually admitted that he's been selfish and thinking only in terms of his needs rather than our needs. I know women tend to mature faster and easier than men. But at some point you have to start taking some responsibility for your actions and how it will affect your life. That should be what you aim towards when giving up pmo.
     
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  4. DireMerl

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    Oh and I agree with the wife too. I think you have to just try to believe that he's telling the truth. Then whenever you get that solid proof it rebuilds some of that trust piece by piece. The phone check seems to be working without too much hassle at the moment. I feel weird about it still but The husband says he knows he has given up the right to be indignant. He says he views it in the same way as a drug addict having to pee in a cup.
     
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  5. Madwithstars

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    I can so relate to your feelings. Especially the part about the hurt already being there but it being let out.

    I love your 10 minute hugging rule. My partner lives far away but we hug a lot when we are together, it is very healing.
     
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  6. TheWife

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    I agree with so much you have stated here. And from my discussions with him, so does my husband. We both know that it stops now. He has not watched porn in almost a month now. He is on the road to recovery and is not looking back. He knows that me and the kids are on the line. He will lose everything if he continues with this addiction. We know that there is a distance between us and we're working on closing that gap. You hit the nail on the head when you said this takes him away from reality and numbs him. He has hidden from life into a fake world. He chose to avoid reality.

    One area that I am unclear on is masterbation. I have done quite a bit of reading and am not sure on this. He has only M'd once, when he was on a business trip and he was thinking of a great night that we had together. He was not thinking of porn. He was remembering a real interaction with me. Will this interfere with his recovery? I wonder if this would set off a dopamine release in he same manner as porn? He has avoided M at all other times, and will continue to. He knows that it was not good and he knows that I would not accept it if he did this again.

    I have never thought of M as a form of immaturity. I really haven't thought about it much to be honest. I think I need to do some more reflection on this.

    Now, the distance I have given lot of thought. I consider what has happened between us as if he had an affair, just with porn instead of another woman. He put my needs second and chose the images on the screen. To fix our marriage will take more than just stopping the porn. There is my hurt to consider, there are communication issues to work on and all the trust between us needs to be rebuilt. It will take effort. It will also take time.

    Thanks for giving me some other areas to think about. I really do appreciate others perspectives.
     
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  7. TheWife

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    I wish I could take credit for the hugging idea. I stole it from @TheFiancée. I think it is brilliant. It seems to be working a treat for us.
     
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    I'm on the fence about m to be honest. I think it can be a healthy way to release some tension, especially if you're away or have no way of connecting with your partner. I always assumed this was normal for men and women. I agree that some too often or when there is no real need to then it becomes part of the problem. I always thought that if you had a healthy, fulfilling sex life with a partner you love then you shouldn't really need to m. But sometimes this isn't an option. But then another part of me feels like it could become a slippery slope back into the porn as very few men m without p. I guess it depends how you both feel about the issue. Perhaps think about it some more and have a discussion about it xx
     
  9. TheWife

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    You make some good points here DireMerl. I haven't really given it much thought and I guess I need to. My initial response is that it is okay in certain circumstances but there is a line. It should not be done if you have a willing partner waiting for you. Your partner should come first. On the other hand, if your partner is unavailable, then on the rare occasion, I do not see an issue. My concern with it at the moment is, does this affect his recovery, as in, will it affect his dopamine levels in the same way as porn?
     
  10. DireMerl

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    I really don't know about the dopamine if I'm honest. I guess it obviously releases dopamine so I suppose that could be seen as a problem. But I suppose that doesn't affect your relationship or his progress with p. I guess it depends if p is the problem or m.
     
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    Well, to be fully honest, I can't take full credit here either... my fiancé and I read this in an article (I cannot share links yet as I haven't been very active in the forums...so bear with me, I'll explain where you can find everything...) go to the yourbrainonporn website, >articles: section eight and look for the "lazy-way-to-stay-in-love" article which gave us the idea
    ;)
    There are many very helpful articles on how to keep your relationship intimate without focussing on sex all the time!
    We also read a bit about a practice called "Karezza", which you might find interesting looking into...

    As to the dopamine...I am really not an expert, but since we have been doing hard mode for a while now (...yeah, fun...), my man has been doing some reading about it and told me that even stirrings and definitely masturbating release dopamine to some extent, which is why a lot of the guys here choose to go on hard mode to kind of clean their systems completely (I hope I got it right... this is how I make sense of it for myself, so forgive me if my explanations are a bit clumsy).
    You can read more about it on the your brain on porn web-site, >articles, understanding porn addiction
    (particularly section two and section six)

    ...I hope this is ok...
     
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    Here is the article. http://yourbrainonporn.com/the-lazy-way-to-stay-in-love
    It is very interesting. There is going to be a lot more kissing and cuddling in this household from now on.
     
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  13. Toven

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    Hello @TheWife

    First of all, thank you for pouring out your heart here. I'm so sorry for all you have gone through. I feel enraged hearing about your husbands antics, which I recognise has hypocritical undertones coming from someone in recovery. That said, seeing the reality of what happens as a result of porn addiction makes me sad.

    You seem to be handling this so well. You should be so proud of yourself. There is no end to porn consumption. It can only escalate unless the wheel is drastically turned in the other direction. It doesn't stay still, it only gets better or worse. It cannot be controlled, it controls you. That is what you're up against as you have well seen.

    All the best to you both, you have this community's support. You cannot control him, but you have 100% control over your self respect. Always keep that.
     
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    Masturbation of any kind is a complete reset. By using your imagination, it is still using an artificial stimulation, yes it happened but it is no longer happening. And masturbating leads right back to porn, and if a addict imagining a past sex session can lead to an exaggerated pornified version of it. If he can stop watching porn he can most definitely stop masturbating and wait for you, my partner and I do not live together and definitely do not masturbate. The only sexual stimulation we have is with each other. I can tell you and my partner can tell you masturbating leads back into porn. I hope I didn't come off as aggressive but he is playing with fire. I wish and hope all the best! I'm glad things are going well for you :)
     
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  15. ichabodcr

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    I agree with what @wildwood said here above. Masturbation is a slippery slope that leads back to P during the recovery process.
    I believe that M in itself could be ok, but for a person who's had addiction problems M is playing with fire, and should be avoided altogether, especially during the recovery.

    I would be curious to know if any young man in this day and age can really get away with it. I am 37, so I was in my late teens when broadband internet hit, and I can say I've seen both worlds. I used to use porn to very limited extent before broadband days (mags, the occasional picture downloaded with dial-up modem...) but things got out of hand with access to fast connections.

    Now that everyone knows that a massive world of porn is available 24/7 and just a few clicks away I wonder who manages to masturbate without going there more and more frequently. I guess only people in places with no internet access can manage that...

    I remember a TED video about porn addiction where the lecturer was saying that researchers in the field where really struggling to put together a control group to compare against porn addicts because they just couldn't find any young man that was genuinely clean and made no use of porn at all! That really struck me, but I don't find it hard to believe. I'm not saying that everyone out there is a porn addict, but it sounds very likely that 99,99% of the young males around have had extensive exposure to online porn, at least for some time during their life. Some people manage to keep it under control, and maybe leave it behind when in a good relationship, some become addicted and admit it, some just live in denial...

    I am not sure if I'll ever be able to M again, without it being very dangerous... My aim is to stop altogether. I have a wife and she's got to be the one I turn to for intimacy...
     
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  16. TheWife

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    Thank you @Toven, @wildwood and @ichabodcr.

    We have discussed it and you are all right. It is a slippery slope. M is off limits.

    He has only done it that once when he was away for the week and he used it as a release to get to sleep at 4am. We are counting it as a reset and it won't be happening again.

    We spoke about it and it is wrong to direct our sexual energy to places to don't benefit our marriage.
     
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    I am up and down like a brides nightey. Good days and some awful ones. I am just taking it one day at a time.

    Yesterday was dreadful. I brought up something that happened 8 years ago. It was a lie he told me. If he had told me the truth, I would have left him on the spot. In hindsight this was the addiction showing itself for the first time. He lied and I swept it under the rug even though it felt like there was more. And we stayed married, continued on with our lives and had some really amazing years together. We had many years where the addiction was dormant, and these were amazing times.

    Yesterday I asked him about it. He told me the truth. It not what he did that hurts as it was such a long time ago and it feels like several lives ago. What hurts the most is that he looked me in the eye and lied. Then he carried this secret for 8 years. He also manipulated me through the lie so I wouldn't leave. How do I get past the fact that he is capable of lying to my face? How do I trust him again? How do I know he isn't lying now? There are no answers here.

    We talked for many exhausting hours. We both discussed that we want no secrets in our marriage and that it needs to be based on honesty. So here we are, back to the start in our marriage. We need to rebuild it. It is going to be incredibly hard. I just hope there is not too much hurt that we cannot get past it.

    I have also given us a time limit to turn this around. If we are not showing improvement by January then it is best we part ways. I have taken off my wedding rings and I hope that one day soon I'll feel good enough to put them back on.

    I realise that I have been handling my husband and controlling what I say to him. I have been so careful to not upset him, and have been sanitizing my feeling to protect him. I just need to let it out. The full force of what this is doing to me. He needs to feel how much he has hurt me. I have been scared he will relapse and thought it would be better to not give him a reason to turn to porn. But the fact is that he could turn to porn no matter what I do or say. I cannot control it. I cannot control him. I have to be honest with myself and with our marriage. So I am being open about how crap I really feel and I will continue to be. It will be hard to be on the receiving end of but I figure these are the consequences for his actions. So he will have to suck it up!

    There have been some good moments too amongst the gloom. We are having fun and laughing together. The cuddles are fabulous. And the cheeky moments, like when he slaps my butt when he walks past, that we have not had for a long time. We still have an energy together.

    So here we are, a demolition site, everything revealed, ready to start from scratch. We're going to both look at what we want in a marriage, what we need to bring and what our boundaries are. We're going to make the blueprint and then over time we'll build the house.

    TW
     
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  18. Hi @TheWife ! I've been reading your journal but haven't commented yet. I love the way you insert humor into your journals. Humor is good medicine against emotional pain. If we are able to find the humor in our troubles, then the ability of those troubles to hurt us emotionally is significantly decreased.

    Faith and trust. I know it seems counterintuitive to trust him blindly, but that is all you can do for now. You can't read his mind. You can't be sure he is lying. He broke trust with you years ago and it's his duty to show you that that trust was not in vain. If he is a worthy man, a man worthy of your love, he won't break that trust again.

    You do need to tell him how you feel. He needs to know the significance of a relapse for your relationship. On the other hand, you need to make yourself a safe place so that he can come to you with relapses. If there is too much accusation and not enough love in what you say to him, he might close down and start covering up with relapses again.

    Wish you two the best of luck!
     
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    Thank you @Buddha Punk Robot Monk. I am not sure that I can trust much this week. I don't even trust myself right now. I am a bit shaken with all that was revealed this week. I know that I have to take a leep of faith and trust him to support his recovery, but I need to get myself together first. This week he needs to support me.

    I have made it abundantly clear how I feel. In fact I may have been a bit too harsh and lashed out in anger the other day. It is okay though, it needed to be said and he understands I am hurt and angry. I have been very clear since this started on what my boundaries are. He knows the boundaries and he is aware of what the consequences will be. I hope that is enough. He has been very forward in terms of accepting he has a problem and has been taking a lot of steps to address it. He is continuing with his therapist each week. He has not watched porn in over a month. I do see improvements in his attitude. I hope we continue to go in the right direction.
     
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    Today is another day. I feel okay today. My head is not going to explode. I have good things in my life. I have my health, I have my kids and I have lots of other things I am thankful for.

    Yesterday was a good day. Husband had another appointment with the therapist and we talked, for many hours. We're still talking everyday and working through it all. We discuss feelings, which we haven't done in a long time. We always talked but it was usually a coordination of the family and everyday life. We became more like good room mates. We've always had laughs and it wasn't all bad. It just lacked the connection on other levels, wink wink nudge nudge, know what I mean?

    I was angry at myself the other day. I was wondering why I hadn't confronted him before about the issue many years ago, and more recently about what I could see happening to us. I think that previously, subconsciously I was afraid to hear the answers. I knew if I had any self respect I would need to leave him. I also feel that I was not strong enough back then with all that had happened in our relationship (lots of trauma at the time and I was weak). I do think he was completely wrong how he handled it, he lashed out in anger, during our problems at that time (clarification: he has never laid a hand on me and I don't think that any of it was to intentionally hurt me) and as self preservation I buried the lie. My husband is a gentle giant, but if you hurt him his first instinct is to lash out with words. He is intelligent and his words can hurt, a lot. We have discussed how he reacts to things that hurt him and he recognizes he does this.

    More recently, it seems that I just didn't have anything concrete or big enough to trigger that confrontation. Porn addiction is hard to confirm. Something was out of sorts but I didn't know what or how to really discuss it without evidence. I did bring up some small things but I was brushed aside, for example, my husband has slept on the couch most nights for the past year. I invite him upstairs, I demand he comes to bed, but he always had an excuse, such as I fell asleep watching golf, and continued to do it. I think that the addiction was escalating and I made the right choice to confront him when I had the information available to me.

    Whilst it is good to analyze all of this, I have also decided I am going to be like Elsa and "let it go". There are a million reasons why we make the choices that we do and being angry or upset about it is not going to help. I am going to be kind to myself. What has happened is in the past and I did the best I could.

    I do not regret being with my husband, I wouldn't change where I am now for anything, except the addiction, and maybe if I could win the lottery, but these are out of my control.

    Our relationship in the last 7 years has changed quite considerably. We moved countries to husbands home country, we travelled the world for more than a year and a half, we bought a house and did major renovations ourselves, and we had the mini people. We spent many years without Internet access and therefore no porn. We have grown up, so to speak. Prior to all this I had a immature mindset about many things, even though I was in my 30's. I liked to party, I was an 'in the moment' type mindset, I never really thought about planning for the future. Now that I am approaching 4 0 <gasp> I do feel like I have a very different approach to life. I still have fun, but it is tempered with being responsible.

    We don't fight at all. Never have. We have disagreements but we don't ever yell at each other. We communicate pretty well on difficult things. If it is something emotionally charged I will write him a letter so that he can read it and digest it, then we discuss it together once we have both had time to reflect and calm down a bit. We have done this for a number of years now and I never recognized how well it works for us before. When we do talk and disagree, we do it really well. The problem is that I tend to dismiss small problems, I am working on just addressing things as they happen now and not letting anything build up.

    I am realistic about my relationship. Marriage is not all sunshine and roses. It is hard. It takes work. I know it is not like it is in the movies, and happily ever after is a line in a fairy tale. I know that I am happy here with what I have. I have a comfortable life and everyday
    brings joy, fun, laughter and achievements in various forms. By achievements I mean we finish goals together, big ones like the house renovations, and small such as getting through the day with everyone in our family alive, fed, bathed and with a minimum of tears.

    For the next few days I am just going to try to be kind to myself. No expectations. I'll take each hour as it comes. I am having a hard week and so it is husbands turn to support me.

    Tonight I was bathing The Dude, who is now 8 months old, and he discovered for the first time he has a penis. He grab it and wouldn't let go. I offered bath toys, a cup, a shiny ball, but no, he wanted none of that, he just wanted to pull on his little diddle. And so continues the circle of life....
     
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